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crissindahouse said:
Kasz216 said:
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Lostplanet22 said:
Kasz216 said:
Seems excessive... especially since if you jailed all the racists in relation to football there would be well... a LOT.

Wasn't there a french politician a while back who was complaining because most of the french team was black?

Doesn't sound that offensive depends what kind of word he used in french for 'black'..

Curious what this guy said though and i guess they made an example of him and that is something I can't disagree with.  

To be fair I think it happened back in 2007 now that I think about it.  There was a whole big story about when Obama was elected just how shockingly racist a lot of the coverage and commentary was and in general a primer about how a lot of europeon comments on race even by leaders would shock americans.

Pretty sure this was the incident.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/175696

 

In the US people get the hell beat out of them for using terms that are sometimes racist in a non-racist way.


you should specify countries. there are so many different cultures/laws and whatever in europe...

just because some of european countries have the same currency and we have the eu doesn't mean a swede or sweden is like italy or an italian (as example)

it's like i would say "damn canada or mexico" because of george bush.

If we were talking about sexism sure.  Racism, though the US still has a ways to go itself, i'd put it up against any country in europe as far as recent history goes

ok let's talk about racism in luxembourg, what are your experiences there?

to think racism in usa isn't as bad as in other countries has to be a joke...i'm not saying it's worse there but i won't believe it's better there.

and for example in germany almost everyone was for obama. he was the most beloved presidential canditate of the usa here in germany i can think about. if you would have asked germans who they hope to win in usa almost everyone would have said "obama"

so as example i believe here in germany racism isn't worse than in usa. no clue how you can think it is. i believe for example it's still damn hard for black in some parts of usa. i don't believe you don't have some parts in usa were a lot of racists live. because of the slump, most who lost their job as example in detroit were black people. they were the first who had to go.

and i don't have to fear to get shot when i try to come over the border here, ask some mexican families what they say about this. it's clearly the message "people we don't want here have maybe to die trying to come to usa illegally".

and i never saw so many police videos were you can see policeman punching and kicking some black guys just because they are black. damn they are policeman!

we have some idiots here like every country has and since we don't just have "republicans or democrats" we surely have this stupid npd here but if you wouldn't only have the two-party-system and would have a political system like other countries have with a bigger diversity you would have a party like the npd as well.

and talking about sexism, there i would think usa isn't as bad as some other countries for example in europe but this is as well really different from country to country.

I agree the US is only better in regards to sexism to SOME europeon countries.  Like say, France.  Hence why I don't say the same thing.

As for racism... you here this stuff about America, cause we make a big deal about it and draw attention to it because we see it as a problem... and bring up any case that may be about racism, even if it might  not be.  Like the Trayvon Martin case.  A lot of the time we practically invent stories about racism because of vigiliance.  For example American Football Player Tim Tebow, who was white, was examined if the fact that he was white, led to more chances then a black quaterback would of gotten. (When in reality, it was because he is considered by a lot the greatest college football player ever and because the dude is ridiculiously humanitarian.)  We examine the hell out of everything in regards to race in an attempt to improve.


As for Germany, well starting with Obama, Germany was the country with the blackface campaign poster of Obama.  The country that had "Obama Chicken Fingers" and who had a Zoo that named a monkey after Obama.  That the guy before him was such a dick that Germans preferred a black man to someone running as a legacy candidate isn't exactly a surprise even if you take all Germans as racists. 

Outside which... compare government representation of minorities in Germany compaired to the US.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/gp/2007/00000016/00000004/art00003

 

Americans do have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration, however you'd be hard pressed to find any large support for deporting legal immigrants like say...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3969418,00.html

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/10/19/peter-goodspeed-germanys-new-extremism-seeks-fuhrer/

"A new poll conducted by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation for Political Education, a foundation with close ties to the German Social Democratic party, has found that one in 10 Germans wants "a new Fuehrer to lead the country with an iron fist", and that every third German thinks all foreign immigrants should be expelled from Germany if unemployment becomes a problem. The poll consisted of 2,500 people of different ages. The results were announced on Wednesday.

 Some 25% of all respondents expressed racist opinions, and 15.9% said they somewhat understood why a Fuehrer needed to be appointed; 58% of the participants claimed that Germany needed to curb the traditional Muslim lifestyle. As for anti-Semitism, 17.2% of the survey's participants supported the statement that "Jews have too much influence in the world today"."

 

Germany isn't even one of the countires where it's a particularly hard to debate like some other countries where you in general tend to have more "smoothing based" racism that is under the surface due to there almost being no minorities in the country at all.

 

Such gaps will only grow as well, when you consider just how far the US has come despite being behind on the Civil Rights front, accomplishing more in less time.



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Oh and as for Luxembourg. It's a country with 505,831.

So... every 1 act of racism in Luxembourg wold be equal to like... 616 cases of Racism in the United States... and in general the majority of foreigners in Luxembourg are well... white.

Though admittedly you may have me on Luxembourg just due to the lack of available literature... though in general I have spent quite some time comparing racism among various countries because it's something I found interesting a few years back when laws started passing that the US wouldn't even begin to consider.

 

Of course, the thing not to be forgotten in such a conversation is that essentially everybody is somewhat racist due to society, it's just  matter of measuring how much racism there is.  Even if you consiously hold all the "right" views on race there is a subconsious racism at work that can usually be detected through some interesting research.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

is a fun one.  Though in general may not work for you due to your second language status more or less destroying any chance of spontanaity.



lol what is this? maybe you should have been here to see that this is a joke...i love people like you reading something on the internet but i bet you have never been here.

obama chicken fingers? you know it was just like "obama doll, pillow with obama picture and so on..."? it was for people who LIKE obama and had nothing to do because he was a black hahaha. fried chicken isn't associated with afro-americans in germany...i think it's more racism that you say we are racist because we use a product with the name "obama" and say to us that's racism just because fried chicken was associated with afro-americans in usa. usa isn't every other culture, it's associated with afro-amercans in usa? that's ok but why is this our problem? if obama would have been white, we woud have had the same fries, but surely this wouldn't be racism because he would have been white then...

blackface campaign? hahaha do you know who the campaign came from? damn if your media is talking crap to you sry but its not our problem. please inform about it better and about "martin sonneborn" an who this guy is. maybe satire isn't so harsh in usa but here everything is allowed and the same guy said a lot of crazy things about the berlin wall and so on. he writes (or wrote) for the biggest german satire magazin. just few examples:

"hope in germany, can he stop mr. schäuble (a german politician)"

or

merkel "my first banana" because she came from the GDR and they couldn't get for example bananas for decades^^ (and yeah it isn't a banana haha)

 

and to the muslim debate, yes it's big here and in most other european countries but you know what? if usa would be where germany or the other european countries are, you would have the same debates. you live in america no clue how you could think that you could have the same "problems" between christians and muslims coming from turkey and other countries. you live between mexico and canada, between usa and the next muslim country is a little bit of water...there are huge differences between the "christian" and muslim cultures and in a country like germany there a huge problems for both sites to handle it and i personally think none of both sites is better...

and to the debate about the "jews" have to much power, it's not about the jews, it's about israel which many see as "jews". and yes, many think they have too much power. not the usa but almost every other country on this planet thinks that because of palestine for example. if i would make a poll "has china too much power", maybe 17% of us-americans would say "yes"? (and i think in germans as well). why would this be something different?

then you say

"Outside which... compare government representation of minorities in Germany compaired to the US"

ok please tell me since when do those immigrants live in germany? most are here in only the second or maybe third generation. first generation can barely speak german. how many mexican immigrants from the last 30 years do you have in your government?

you have a lot of afro-americans in your government? since how many generation do they live in usa?

a big party in germany is the cdu, which means "christian democratic union". i really don't wonder that many immigrants in germany (which many are muslims) don't want to be a politician in this party...

but you are right, there could be more immigrants i german parties, i think it could be better in usa with mexicans as well. but since i live in a city with 25% foreigners and many children of immigrants who are now germans (so i would say every second is a foreigner or a child from a foreigner) i can say you that many don't even care about politics. if they don't even care, no wonder they won't start a political career.

one of the reasons is that most who came here were very poor in their country. it's a difference in europe to usa. you only pick the well educated to come to usa, here in germany most who came here from other countries came to germany because they were very poor and bad educated in their country. it's not their fault, i would go to germany as well if i would have a bad life in another country. and those don't care as much about politics as well educated do. it's the same with germans, well educated have more interests in politics than germans with low education..

i mean, as example because of the muslim problem you talked about, how many do you have in usa with 3xx million population? and how many of them were very poor people without any education or only very bad education? most of the time only the well educated have the chance to come to usa right?

so you wonder that in usa, were you only pick the well educated to live in your country, that those immigrants are more interested in politics and they will or can start a political career easier?

if most of usa's legal immigrants would be very bad educated (which isn't their fault) and if you would have the same social system we have here (you don't have to work to get enough money from the government to live here and half of them (or so) don't work), what do you think how many us-americans would say "yes it would be good if they would leave our country now when they don't work but get enough every year to live here which the others have to pay for"

you simply have only those problems with illegal immigrants and even then, they don't get a paid life from usa if they don't want to work.

you would have exactly the same survey results in usa with the same situation we have here.

and i personally think if you would ask a german the same questions not about immigrants, if you would ask "would it be good to send germans who don't even try to find a work but getting a paid life from the state out of germany", i bet the same amount of people would say "yes" then lol. so are they racists against themselve or what? sure it wouldn't be possible but if it would be possible...and sadly this is what people think when they get a question about those immigrants. if we would only have specialist here as immigrants like you have in usa the survey's would be totally different.

and please, never try to show how racist we are anymore because of a satirist only making satire... because then i will speak about hundreds of afro-amerikan churches burned down in usa and how normal this is in usa (which would be stupid to think and say). this sounds worse than some chiclen fries and a satirical blackface campaign.
we have some turkish comedians in germany making fun of germans and nobody would think it's what they really think. maybe you will find a news about them on an american site as well how racist they are because they hate against germans in germany haha

and damn luxembourg? hell that was a joke can't believe you looked about the population...i said it exactly because of that but since you had to search it even shows more that you have no clue about europe and only read on some sites an studies comparing different situations like they would be comparable which makes absolutely no sense.

btw just as an example, that survey says "33% of blacks say all or many blacks dislike whites and 25% of whites say all or many whites dislike blacks in usa"

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-12-12/us/racism.poll_1_whites-blacks-racism/2?_s=PM:US

and this is comparing usa with germany, spain and canada:

http://www.fpyn.ca/sites/default/files/Survey%20on%20Racism%20&%20Prejudice%20in%20Canada,%20USA,%20Germany%20&%20Spain%20%28%20ACS%20&%20CRRF%20-%20January%202011%20%29.pdf

you can find surveyy like this or like you found about every country on ths planet if there are enough surveys about that country. and you can find enough saying "no problmes there" as well...

and to bring this discussion to an end i would say i don't believe that racism is much different between europe or usa, the only differences are the different situations people have to handle it by themselve. it's pretty simple that you don't even know why germans say this about muslims for example when you don't live here and i can't say which problems you maybe have with mexicans when i don't live in usa (i just think it's crazy how many have to die every year at the border). and all those surveys are for the ass because they can't compare the countries with each other because all have different "problems". it does not even make sense to compare germany with netherlands or so and we are neighbours.



We know who the guy is. It's still extremely racist. The fact that you don't see this stuff as racist pretty much proves my point.

Such a thing in the US would be seen as so toxic that the guys career would be ruined.  Which is why it'd be a LOT harder for a racist party to get many delegates in power even with a similar government system.

 

The rest of your arguement is well... mostly unfounded.  We don't just "pick the best".

Minorities are underrepresented in our government, sure, not anywhere near Germany though.

Also you've gotten away from argueing that Germany isn't more racist... and ended your arguement by saying "Germany is more racist because of the situation we're in."

Which, I don't really see your point behind that.

 

Also uh, you do realize that your survey was of other people talking about what other people think right?  What percentage of black people thing white people hate them etc.  That's not so much a measure of racism so much as a measure of sensitivity about racism.

Versus the survey I posted which gave very specific questions that were racist and got the numbers on it.

It's akin to a poll asking how many people you know are rich vs research that looks at the tax returns of people you know to deterimine how many are rich.


Asking if visible minorities are treated equally isn't so much a measure of racism so much as it is a measure at perceiving racism.  There isn't a society around yet today where minorities are treated fully equal and it's going to be quite a struggle to get there even if you get to a point where 100% of society believes everyone should be treated equal, due to subconsious racism brought on by societal factors.



I think there's a legitimate point upon racism that has to do with intent and with cultural norms. There's all the difference between someone like, say, Mr. Popo from Dragonball Z and what is actually anti-black racism in Japan. Hell, i saw a blackface ad on the train at one point, but in the same ad there was a ridiculous-looking kabuki actor that would pass for anti-Japanese racism in the States. We in America have become to shrill about the form of racism, even if we are progressive in dealing with its content

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Kasz216 said:

We know who the guy is. It's still extremely racist. The fact that you don't see this stuff as racist pretty much proves my point.

Such a thing in the US would be seen as so toxic that the guys career would be ruined.  Which is why it'd be a LOT harder for a racist party to get many delegates in power even with a similar government system.

 

The rest of your arguement is well... mostly unfounded.  We don't just "pick the best".

Minorities are underrepresented in our government, sure, not anywhere near Germany though.

Also you've gotten away from argueing that Germany isn't more racist... and ended your arguement by saying "Germany is more racist because of the situation we're in."

Which, I don't really see your point behind that.

 

Also uh, you do realize that your survey was of other people talking about what other people think right?  What percentage of black people thing white people hate them etc.  That's not so much a measure of racism so much as a measure of sensitivity about racism.

Versus the survey I posted which gave very specific questions that were racist and got the numbers on it.

It's akin to a poll asking how many people you know are rich vs research that looks at the tax returns of people you know to deterimine how many are rich.


Asking if visible minorities are treated equally isn't so much a measure of racism so much as it is a measure at perceiving racism.  There isn't a society around yet today where minorities are treated fully equal and it's going to be quite a struggle to get there even if you get to a point where 100% of society believes everyone should be treated equal, due to subconsious racism brought on by societal factors.

1. no it's not racism because they (the magazine and this guy who was part of it) do the same with everyone. or german carnival, what you will see there, you would call this racist as well (if it would be a carnival float about a black, but with a white wouldn't be a problem right?)

oh damn a float making fun of a german politician born in vietnam we are so racist!

just for you, mr obama

usa and merkel, how is this for you?

 

you just don't understand our satire from some european countries? then shut up and live in your world and never learn that other countries are different without beeing racist like you think. as example i put the merkel picture in my other post because i know if this would be a black you would say "damn a banana? (it wasn't a banana i explained why) GERMAN RACISTS" without even understanding the picture.  even the black people who live here think it's funny because they know how it's meant. so stop calling us racist because you are to stupid to understand our sarcasm/satire. you are the racist/xenophobe then if you think it can't be right if it isn't ok in your country.

if you would destroy the career for satirists in usa it's ok for you, but it's pretty simple no racism here.

if you make a picture as satire you use the characteristics of someone. if he has big ears, you use the ears and make them even bigger and if you say "i am a obama" as slogan for your fake party or someting like that you use his skin color because you don't have the color so this is the biggest characteristical difference in the face (no clue if characteristic is the right word my english isn't good enough)

(like i said, we have some very popular turkish comedians here in gemany and they make fun about us germans all the time and have own tv-shows on the biggest channel and NOONE would think they are racists against us germans, it's just our and their humor)

2. so you want to tell me that most of those people who got the opportunity to work in usa in the last 30 years from europe as example weren' engineers or other well educated people? you have absolutely no clue which the difference is between german legal immigrants and american legal immigrants. if you have no clue, how do you wish to talk about it?

and you still don't gave me an answer. if you have a lot of afro-american in your government because they live there a lot longer than german immigrants  live in germany (damn they helped to build your country and they were slaves in the past), what's so hard to understand that you have exactly because of this more minorities in your government? or the natives who live their forever, is it a wonder that this minority in their own country has some seasts in your government (don't know about that but it has to). the difference is so easy to understand between minorities in us government and minorities in german government no clue how someone can even think about it and why there is a difference.

you wish to tell me that you have a lot of immigrants in your government who can't even speak english? because that's the fact here with a lot of our immigrants, the can't speak german (and it's not racists that i say this, it's fact and it's not their fault, they came from very poor turkish villages as example and did never have very good education). people who came to america as legal immigrants from europe or asia the last years, how many of them can't speak english? how many of the blue-collar workers who came to usa in the last 30 years are now in the government? almost none of them? ok but you wonder that they aren't in german government right? because almost all immigrants who came to germany came to work in a pit or factory or to harvest asparagus/cucumber...

and i didn't say we are more racist in my argument, i said "if you would have the same situation, your surveys would say the same". that means, the survery is dependend of the situation and not of the people who got asked those questions. or do you wish to tell me that, if you would have a social system where you don't have to work to get money to live and where you get a paid flat and where you get paid your energy and water consume, everything paid from the government, that you wouldn't have some who would say "if they don't work for 10-20 years now and if they get money without doing anything, they should go back to their country". you wish to tell  me that, if you would have this system in usa (year very racist, you get a paid life without working, even as immigrant), that there wouldn't be a lot who would say "those should go back to their country"? i am not against them, i know they had a horrible life before and i would do the same if i would have the chance but i know that many, if people in usa or germany, would say that it can't be that the government is paying the life of people who did never work for that country and came just to germany.

what would i get in usa if i wouldn't work and would never have paid in the unemployment insurance? would usa pay me a flat and water and energy and few hundret bucks extra for meal? ohh i forgot i wouldn't get the opportunity to come to usa because they would send me back and i could not even start here to usa if i wouldn#t buy a return ticket as well...

3. did you read the survey? one of the questions was: blacks got asked "how many blacks dislike whites" so 33% of blacks in usa said they think blacks dislike whites in usa" do you think a black doesn't know if his black friends dislike whites or why should a black say this about other blacks? and i think if you would ask the white "how many white dislike black" you would get the same. 49% of blacks in usa think racism is a serious problem? hmm yeah i bet they just say it even if there isn't that serious problem.

and i love your last argument, in usa, much more people had bad experiences with racism than in germany but suuure that's not a good survey because usa looks bad there. yep, in usa are much more people against interracial marriage but hey, that's just because it is so, has nothing to do with racism...

like i said, i think all survey are for the ass because you can't simply compare countries but your survery aren't better just because you searched for them.

and since you are so ignorant not to see that for example different humor doesn't mean racism just because it would be racism in your country because you have different humor i really don't read here anymore, someone who has never been here trying to argument about the situation because he can read what his media is writing.. do you know what our media is talking about the usa every day? do i have to believe all of that now just because they want to sell more newspapers or have more in front of the tv? and you have something like fox news, you should now that's you can't believe everything you see if you haven't been there for yourself.



1) Being racist to a lot of different people doesn't make you not raicst. It just makes you a general bigot. I'd note that Germans were also upset with the black face.

The Initiative for Black Voters (Of Germany) had a problem with that, and OTHER cases of black face. In otherwords, Black people in Germany find it racist. That you don't sounds like a problem on your part.

Edit Quoted:  "But Tahir Della a spokesman for the Initiative for Black Germans (ISD), which tries to represent the interests of the black community in Germany, called the billboard "unbelievably hurtful."

"This is 2011 and not 1950," he said. "I find it racist through and through."

Doesn't sound like black peole find it too funny.


2) How long people are here is irrelevant compared to size of population. Why would it matter?

3) In fact, yes a LOT of immigrants here can't speak English.

4) Have you looked into German Immigration? In Germany, if you are a non EU citizen the only way you can immigrate into Germany is if you are a skilled worker or are going to a school there.

US policy has that AND it has a lottery raffle to let less fortunate people into the country.

 

5) Again it has to all do with awareness, using your polls as an example.  People in Germany apparently don't see blackface as racist. (Unless you are a black german of couse!)  While in the US EVERYONE would see that as racist.  So in equal situations or even unequal ones, Racism in the US would be rated higher.

While if you were to say, measure specific racist things, then you have a more accurate reflection of racism.

 

If you asked people if they were racist back in the Jim Crow south, they woulda said no, because they thought there racism was well founded afterall.



Mr Khan said:
I think there's a legitimate point upon racism that has to do with intent and with cultural norms. There's all the difference between someone like, say, Mr. Popo from Dragonball Z and what is actually anti-black racism in Japan. Hell, i saw a blackface ad on the train at one point, but in the same ad there was a ridiculous-looking kabuki actor that would pass for anti-Japanese racism in the States. We in America have become to shrill about the form of racism, even if we are progressive in dealing with its content


For everday people?  Maybe.   For politicians, buisness owners and the like?   They live in an international community and as suchthose types of people should keep in mind the multicultural international communities they work in.

Outside which, Black people in germany find that shit racist.


But Tahir Della a spokesman for the Initiative for Black Germans (ISD), which tries to represent the interests of the black community in Germany, called the billboard "unbelievably hurtful."

"This is 2011 and not 1950," he said. "I find it racist through and through."

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110915-37617.html



Kasz216 said:

1) Being racist to a lot of different people doesn't make you not raicst. It just makes you a general bigot. I'd note that Germans were also upset with the black face.

The Initiative for Black Voters (Of Germany) had a problem with that, and OTHER cases of black face. In otherwords, Black people in Germany find it racist. That you don't sounds like a problem on your part.

Edit Quoted:  "But Tahir Della a spokesman for the Initiative for Black Germans (ISD), which tries to represent the interests of the black community in Germany, called the billboard "unbelievably hurtful."

"This is 2011 and not 1950," he said. "I find it racist through and through."

Doesn't sound like black peole find it too funny.


2) How long people are here is irrelevant compared to size of population. Why would it matter?

3) In fact, yes a LOT of immigrants here can't speak English.

4) Have you looked into German Immigration? In Germany, if you are a non EU citizen the only way you can immigrate into Germany is if you are a skilled worker or are going to a school there.

US policy has that AND it has a lottery raffle to let less fortunate people into the country.

 

5) Again it has to all do with awareness, using your polls as an example.  People in Germany apparently don't see blackface as racist. (Unless you are a black german of couse!)  While in the US EVERYONE would see that as racist.  So in equal situations or even unequal ones, Racism in the US would be rated higher.

While if you were to say, measure specific racist things, then you have a more accurate reflection of racism.

 

If you asked people if they were racist back in the Jim Crow south, they woulda said no, because they thought there racism was well founded afterall.

damn shall i explain it now the 5th time or what?

your questions make no sense...

1. ok maybe they thought it is but it wasn't meant so. IT IS SATIRE AND IN SATIRE EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED HERE. that's why it is satire, making fun about everything even if it is very hard humor. you don't have to like it, the magazine made fun about much heavier things but it is still just meant as fun and not as  attack against black people. you donÄt understand it? ok... some here in germany didn't understand the sarcasm or did not even know the satirist? ok let's talk with them and explain it to them.

2. i explained you where the immigrants in germany came from and which kind of workers they are right? is this so hard to understand? germans who work in a pit don't start a political career as well not only immigrants who work in the pit. has nothing to do if they are immigrants or born germans, those people don't start political careers here and if they don't even speak german it's even more unrealistic. and most who came to germany were very low educated. let it be some from the eu, turkey or old jugoslavia.

it's only the third gen now here in germany for some families (or only the second for some) who will maybe start a political career and we have to see if this will be the case but the number is growing in germanies parties the last years. and it's simple why it started the last years and not 1995 or so...as example michelle and barack obama were born earlier than most immigrants in germany came to germany.

how long they are in a country compared to the population is irrelevant? hmm what could be the difference if you  live here in the tenth generation or in the second generation? hmm how many politicians in usa live only in the first or second gen in usa wihich most of them were only bad educated workers? and how many live there since 18xx or early 19xx or live there only in second gen but with well educated parents? how many come to usa as worker in a facrory or pit and start a political career in usa? not many right?

3. a lot of legal immigrants can't speak english in usa? and how many of them work as politician in a party? that's what i'm talking about damn...

4. like i said, eu alone is huge and all the people from turkey as example who are here aren't from the eu. then many immigrants came here from ex-jugoslavia. they came from serbia and so on. i think you will know about the situation there and i can't tell me that those people would be well represented in your government with the same reason they came to germany.

i love how you read something about the eu and germany's immigration act but you have absolutely no clue about the real situation here and where most of immigrants came from. and that many of nowadays immigrants are still from outside the eu as family reunification and those haven't a job here in germany as well and they all get money from the government then. 

one more time, how much will i get from your government if i come to usa without a job because a family member lives there? will your governemnt pay me a flat+water+energy+gas+few hundred bucks for meal and beverages and free health insurance?

 

5. doesn't explain as example that 32% of us americans are against interracial marriage. 32% are against it that a black and a white will marry, sure this isn't racism because this is 32% in usa (20% in germany is horrible as well). but if a satirist uses this blackface shit and says he's an obama (because obama is extremely popular here and everyone loves him), yes THIS is racism.

you know what funny is? if someone would use a black face and color it white you would still say it's racism, but not against the whit, still against the black because you color a black face white right? so you can fo it both ways and you would think it's racism...

btw are those little kids racists because they put color in the face at the "3 kings day" and go from hosue to house in whole germany?

look how racist these kids are, they put color in the face to look like balthazar and like the satirist did to look like obama. thousands of racist kids in germany on this day!!!! (it's funny because it's always exactly the opposite, it's meant as very good thing)

 

i will really stop this now, makes no sense to talk with someone  who has all his experiences from a few internet sites but NO clue about the situation in he country he's talking about. i have to admit i was only one time in usa because my brother lives there  a few years (german soldier) so at least i have someone who can talk to me with his experiences but i don't say "you are so racist because i read it on this or that site" i did not even talk about the black who got killed in usa few days ago you did that by yourself and all the survey crab i was talking about was to show that i could find some things as well who says something like "many americans have to be racist if 32% are against interracial marriage"

it's not what i think it's just to show that i could find things like that and if i wouzld search i could show hundred more survery saying usa is sooo racist.



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Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
I think there's a legitimate point upon racism that has to do with intent and with cultural norms. There's all the difference between someone like, say, Mr. Popo from Dragonball Z and what is actually anti-black racism in Japan. Hell, i saw a blackface ad on the train at one point, but in the same ad there was a ridiculous-looking kabuki actor that would pass for anti-Japanese racism in the States. We in America have become to shrill about the form of racism, even if we are progressive in dealing with its content


For everday people?  Maybe.   For politicians, buisness owners and the like?   They live in an international community and as suchthose types of people should keep in mind the multicultural international communities they work in.

Outside which, Black people in germany find that shit racist.


But Tahir Della a spokesman for the Initiative for Black Germans (ISD), which tries to represent the interests of the black community in Germany, called the billboard "unbelievably hurtful."

"This is 2011 and not 1950," he said. "I find it racist through and through."

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110915-37617.html

so you found now something and because you are so proud of it you start to talk about it every time now or what? do you think i couldn't find a black guy fighting for black  in usa saying something like that about something in usa?

and why do you speak about politicians and business owners and so on? he is a SATIRIST! and his "party" is ust a joke you know? nothing serious.

blackface is something bad in usa and was something to "play stupid" blacks or something like that? ok fine but this isn't in germany. if you make fun about something in usa which is something bad in romania, what would you say? i bet you would say "ohh ok but here it's nothing bad"

i mean wtf? if a black satirist in germany would say "i will be the next merkel" and would color his face white (yes merkel is white it would make sense) why should this be racist? if he wants to look like merkel he has to put another color on his face lol. if this satirist wants to look like obama because he says "i am an obama", oh yes he would really look like obama with a white face...his gesture with his arm, the big smile and the black face are all allusions on obama. nothing racist, just to look like him a little bit.

our satirists here make jokes about EVERYONE, if merkel, kohl, obama, their own mother or brown (haha brown you know), but if it is a joke involving something which is about a black it has to be racism. pahaha

pathetic...

 

or in other words, if you don't understand that blackface, which means very bad things in usa but doesn't mean that the whole world has to know that this has a special meaning in usa and we don't have this meaning here because we didn't have comedians using a  black face to play "stupid blacks" in the past, i think we should now

 

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i bet there are some who hate this. this is nothing to hate but there will be some whites who hate this. should we now condemn murphy because of this? end his career? it's only comedy and i bet you didn't care in usa if a sentence like "kill the whites" is forbidden to say in another country on this planet. i bet murphy didn't look at 200 countries if this would be ok in all of those countries because it's ok in his country.