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For a long time now Europe, as other developed countries, is suffering a long process of ageingof it's society. The thing is: any society needs young people coming into the work pool in order to sustain itself. Since people are choosing not to have many children, or not to have them at all, this poses a big problem for those countries facing this reality.

Like I said, this is a problem in many developed countries, but it became a critical issue in Europe, given the rise in xenofobia. Since the biggest european countries are much more resistant to receiving immigrants, an economical problem rises in the horizon: Lack of demand.

The economical dinamics depends on supply meeting demand, where demand is main driving force. Goods and services are produced only because they are demanded. And the main driving force of demand is people. A living person implies a level of demand attached to it's income level and desires. When such a person is well employed and has access to a good level of good and services, he can exercise it's demand, moving the economy. 

The thing is: once a society is stabilized, there's no root for economic growth other than populational, with little or no gain in income per capita(ok, there's the gain in productivity, but one could argue that this can cause unemployement). If a country grows 2% in GPD in a given year, but it's income per capita doesn't change, it means that the population of that country also grew 2%. This is basically what's been happening in Europe, more or less. When you see a change in this reality, is because something destabilized the economy. I reckon that the imigrants in Europe(and I suspect the same for USA) helped the economy in the process of becoming richer than they were when they arrived. This is the destabilizing force that could help Europe economy grow. The demand they create would not happen if they stayed in their countries, because it's a result of higher income, which is linked to all the gains provided by european society.

When the average european repels that immigrant and tries to shut down it's frontier, it's setting a date for the day when his country stops to grow, populational and economical wise. It's needed, for the european, to face this reallity, especially in moment of crisis, when the first instinct is to kick the "last to come" out.

 

Ps.: Before people tear my argument apart, I must say that this is a very superficial comment, based on pure observation and a basic university economical knowledge. Since I finished University 4 years ago, this is very basic indeed. So I ask that any rebuttal is made in a constructive and non-offensive way.  My intention is to discuss a subject that I think is very relevant today, especially after the last episodes in France, Italy and Norway.



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you do realize LOTS OF immigrants are actually unemployed and have 5+ children which the state has to feed and shelter and costs for that are tremendous?



The problem isn't entirely Xenophobia. Its your continent's obsession with having no children. The Caucasian race in Europe will be dead in a few generations. And with it, all their culture and contributions to society. In a few centuries, there will be no German, no British, Spaniard, or Frenchman.

Despite America's problems, one thing is certain: We have lots of babies. Not just our immigrants, but our Germans, British, Spanish and French decedents. Throw in the fact that most immigrants get Americanized, and we may survive awhile longer. Your continent would do well to try to attract immigrants that are willing to become true citizens and contributors to your nations, rather than people simply there to game the system.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Sounds like the whites need to be forced to have unprotected sex. Something could be set up like the Nazi baby farms during WW2.



The economy can easily handle a shrinking population. Any loss of labour is being more than offset every year by gains in productivity (you say it can lead to rising unemployment... but your argument is that there are fewer people?)

We are far from the point where the economy can't grow any more, if such a point even exists.

The real problem with ageing populations comes from the shit that the Governments have put in place: intergenerational welfare problems.



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its more of economic problem

it will come down with finacial collapse and then rebuild

 

 

the whole world will come to its knees



The problem with Europe is that their governments sold them out years ago signing the LIMA declaration in the 1970s. The aim of LIMA was to set up 25% of industries in the developing world by 2000, by 2000 that number was 40% and reached over 60% by 2010. Check out LIMA for more details.



Time for the Catholic Church to ban birth control and contraceptive devices!! What? Already has? Oh...

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You're screwed.

It's the same here in Canada, where the anglosaxon population is more concerned with good education, good jobs and good fun than children, resulting in many women putting off having any children until their thirties or forties and then, often, just one (or none). However it's counterbalanced by large influx of Asian and East Asians whom have lots of children and keep the population growing. Generally speaking, they are all working, contributing members of society and increasingly leaders in the business and political arenas.



 

mrstickball said:
The problem isn't entirely Xenophobia. Its your continent's obsession with having no children. The Caucasian race in Europe will be dead in a few generations. And with it, all their culture and contributions to society. In a few centuries, there will be no German, no British, Spaniard, or Frenchman.

Despite America's problems, one thing is certain: We have lots of babies. Not just our immigrants, but our Germans, British, Spanish and French decedents. Throw in the fact that most immigrants get Americanized, and we may survive awhile longer. Your continent would do well to try to attract immigrants that are willing to become true citizens and contributors to your nations, rather than people simply there to game the system.

if you know much about todays culture progression and economical culture.You will know the following

 

The mexicans will go back when there are no jobs and Muslims will go back when middle east war stops.This all will happen after economic collapse

 

ABout the caucasian race,it needs to be there for the world to progress.Only JAPAN outside of the caucasian race is one place where progress is REAL.The whole world needs progress to progress in the world



Player1x3 said:
you do realize LOTS OF immigrants are actually unemployed and have 5+ children which the state has to feed and shelter and costs for that are tremendous?

If it was easier for them to integrate into european society, maybe they wouldn't be such a burden. The exeperience in Brazil(where I live) and US shows that it's when the imigrant becomes part of the country, instead of an ethinic group temporarily living in there, that they stop being a burden and start to contribute. Of course, many of this immigrants don't want to integrate, but this don't change the fact that Europe needs more people.

BTW, to intervene in personal behaviour is way more difficult than to respond to the problem of immigration. So to say that people should reproduce more, is true, but at the same time inocuous.



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