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Moren on 20 March 2012

zero129 said:

The only problem with that is we where lied to. We where made believe we would get an ending that suited our choices we made in the last 2 games and this one, Instead we where giving 3 choices that's all the same pretty much, that has so many plot holes, and just doesn't fit in with the rest of the game/series. let me show you some of the things we where lied to about.

[Interviews]

All of them quotes are from 2012, so they knew they where lying all along.

Meanly that one about the we don't want an A,B,C ending, when thats exactly what they gave us -_- .

I can understand how its mostly us fans of the ME games that feel ripped off, and how other gamers wouldn't. But if you are a real fan of the series trust me, the is many reasons to feel ripped off.

So maybe if they where honest and said from the start the would only be 3 choices, and all you're choices you made up to this point doesn't matter, people wouldn't feel so pissed..

 

 

I understand, they advertised the product as a choice heavy game and gave you something disappointing that you didn't expect. It was a pretty cheap way of advertising it and the developer's image could be ruined. Unfortunately, I doubt they did something illegal or anything, and even if it's not a fair tactic, there's nothing they must do about it.

If that would be the case, Nintendo, Sony and MS, should refund for Wii, Move and Kinect respectively, since they failed to change the way people want to play games forever, unfortunately for consumers, it just doesn't work that way.



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ethomaz on 20 March 2012

I don't read the previous comments here but Bioware sells the game using this words:

“EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME.”

The end of ME3 kills everything Bioware said about the game.

So I agree with any consumer who wants your money back.



chapset on 20 March 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
chapset said:
-first the ending doesn't make sense
-second the choice you made trough the trilogy are discarded with 3 very similar ending you get a red,blue or green colored ending
-third you get no closure for your companions and your lover if you did pursue a love story in the game
-fourth a new major unexplained antagonist is introduce in the last 5 minute of the game, imagine playing the halo serie fighting against the convenants and in the last minute of halo 3 some random guy wearing black appear and tell you 'mouhahahaha am the real bad guy' then you get the end credits, you probably would get pissed.
I don't agree with the refunds but I get why the fans are mad


those points sound pretty bad. So how does this game keep getting such high review scores? Is it the Multiplayer? I tried the demo/beta but really did not enjoy it. The MP felt rather slow and boring to me personally


big AAA games tend to get high reviews no matter what, but the game is still enjoyable you still get some epic moments and some part were your decisions really do matter but all that is throw away at the end. they could have said in the end sometimes your decision can't change the outcome most people would have been ok with that but instead they just threw something there which make a lot of people think you get the real ending later in dlc since the one right now doesn't make much sense. I didn't try the multiplayer I didn't see the point, you need to play online to get a secret ending but i chose to check it on youtube instead



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marioboy2004 on 21 March 2012

SO if I'm a Zelda fan and didn't like the ending and felt like I was being ripped off than I should demand a refund? C'mon give me a break, no video game is perfect if its 95% good than the majority of it is good. If you want to see imperfection than look in the mirror, cmon no one and nothing in life is perfect just deal with it. There were no moral issues here.



yo_john117 on 21 March 2012

Christ people on the internet blow things out of proportions so bad. The ending was just fine and better than most videogame endings....not to mention the rest of the game was/is completely awesome.

I wonder what game people will find to cry and whine at next after this whole ME3 ending thing blows over.



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ishiki on 21 March 2012
zero129 said:
yo_john117 said:
Christ people on the internet blow things out of proportions so bad. The ending was just fine and better than most videogame endings....not to mention the rest of the game was/is completely awesome.

I wonder what game people will find to cry and whine at next after this whole ME3 ending thing blows over.

You really think the ending was fine??, just becos you have ME pictures as you're sig and profile pic i still don't think you're a real fan. If you where you would see all the loop holes in the ending, you would see how all the choices we where promised never even made it into the game (And this promises where made just a 1-2 months before the games release). Bioware where the ones who blew this out of proportion, not us fans. As they where the ones saying we won't only give you an a,b,c choice for the ending, the ending will mean something to the choices you make etc. Yes what do they do??, give us an a,b,c ending that's all pretty much the same...

that was an incredibly dumb statement.

Someone doesn't agree with you, and yet his second favorite game ever is mass effect 2 and he played it like 8 times (if I remember).

yet, he's not a fan because he doesn't mind the ending in ME3. gah

Personally biowares done this before such as in ME2, killing the council does exactly nothing. And killing wrex, changes the cutsene a wee bit, as well, as ashley/kaiden having a extremely small role. Thus, it was no surprise to myself in ME3, when some of your decisions of the past has to do with who dies, and cutscenes. But it everything you did doesn't really change the general plot at all. Just little side stories, that appear/don't depending on what you did in the past. 



TheKoreanGuy on 21 March 2012

Wow, is it really THAT bad?? I haven't played it myself yet, but there were times when I was unhappy with a game's ending. I see no reason to demand a full refund for something like a crappy ending, especially if you had fun playing for some 15 or 20 hours prior to the ending.

Ken Levine, a game developer's perspective:

"I think if those people got what they wanted and (BioWare) wrote their ending they would be very disappointed in the emotional feeling they got because ... they didn't really create it," he said. "I think this whole thing is making me a little bit sad because I don't think anyone would get what they wanted if that happened."



yo_john117 on 21 March 2012
zero129 said:
yo_john117 said:
Christ people on the internet blow things out of proportions so bad. The ending was just fine and better than most videogame endings....not to mention the rest of the game was/is completely awesome.

I wonder what game people will find to cry and whine at next after this whole ME3 ending thing blows over.

You really think the ending was fine??, just becos you have ME pictures as you're sig and profile pic i still don't think you're a real fan. If you where you would see all the loop holes in the ending, you would see how all the choices we where promised never even made it into the game (And this promises where made just a 1-2 months before the games release). Bioware where the ones who blew this out of proportion, not us fans. As they where the ones saying we won't only give you an a,b,c choice for the ending, the ending will mean something to the choices you make etc. Yes what do they do??, give us an a,b,c ending that's all pretty much the same...

See that's all of your problem. NEVER LISTEN TO DEVS. PERIOD. I've given up listening to devs a long, long time ago because their games virtually never come even close to having the things they promised and if you listen to them and actually think what they promise is going to happen you will be disappointed. Once again, NEVER LISTEN TO DEVS. I cannot stress how important that is.

Regarding loop holes. I know they are there (although they didn't really cross my mind until people pointed them out). But other than being slightly annoying it's not a big deal at all. Plenty of TV shows and games have loop holes. Take for instance Dr. Who, which is one of my favorite TV shows, has many loopholes but that doesn't stop it from being completely awesome. Halo games also have a few loopholes but I still love those game. And I've noticed a lot of people mistaking lack of explaining about things in the ending of ME3 as a loophole....it's not.

As for choices please explain to me how exactly your choices could honestly effect the ending that much? Either way the Reapers have to be stopped and the galaxy needs to be saved...and there aren't very many ways of how that would be possible. So really the 3 endings thing make the most sense. Your choices in previous games and ME3 effected what happened in the meat of the campaign (and it shows in how you gather forces in ME3).

Really the only thing I wish could be changed in the endings is some more explanation/detail. Overall the ending is better than most other video game endings I have seen.



ishiki on 21 March 2012
zero129 said:
ishiki said:

that was an incredibly dumb statement.

Someone doesn't agree with you, and yet his second favorite game ever is mass effect 2 and he played it like 8 times.

yet, he's not a fan because he doesn't mind the ending in ME3. gah

Personally biowares done this before such as in ME2, killing the council does exactly nothing. And killing wrex, changes the cutsene a wee bit, as well, as ashley/kaiden having a extremely small role. 

I still don't think it was dumb. Hell i played ME1+2 lots of times, i only played ME3 once and wouldn't go back near it for another play, you know why?? cos the is no point when the outcome in the end is the same. Lets see how many times he goes back to play ME3 -_- , And imo He didn't pay much to the story in the last 2 games or this one leading up to the end, as if he did like the rest of us 50k+ fans, he would of seen all the loop holes, the un answered questions etc. He would of been pissed off about all the stuff we where promised right up until 1 month before the game released.

And it was not the same for ME2, as you're choices did affect the ending you got in that game.

Anyway if you where going to reply, instead of only taking one part of my post and calling it dumb, you could of also replyed to the rest of it. Such as bioware less then 2 months before the games release, saying how we wouldnt get an a,b,c ending etc., and then doing just that. Now that is dumb and misleading...

You attacked him being a mass effect fan, when he obviously is, because he doesn't share your viewpoint.

Developers always lie and overhype their own games, thus I don't care what they say. But thats me.

At the end of ME2, you decide whether to give the Collector data to the illusive man, or you don't
Some of the stuff during the game affects who dies on the last mission. But stuff you do during mass effect 3 affects who dies during the game. And the cutscenes at the end are slightly different depending on the galactic readiness.

To be clear, I am infact dissapointed by the single player campaign of ME3, however, I personally found the plot, and certain gameplay elements dissapointing and the ending was not out the general quality of the overall game, But that's my opinion.



TheKoreanGuy on 21 March 2012
zero129 said:
TheKoreanGuy said:
Wow, is it really THAT bad?? I haven't played it myself yet, but there were times when I was unhappy with a game's ending. I see no reason to demand a full refund for something like a crappy ending, especially if you had fun playing for some 15 or 20 hours prior to the ending.

Ken Levine, a game developer's perspective:

"I think if those people got what they wanted and (BioWare) wrote their ending they would be very disappointed in the emotional feeling they got because ... they didn't really create it," he said. "I think this whole thing is making me a little bit sad because I don't think anyone would get what they wanted if that happened."

Trust me, as a long time Mass Effect fan, it is that bad. But what makes it wworse was all the lies they told less then 2 months before the games release, go back a page or 2 and you can see some of them that i posted here. such as the game won't have an A,B,C ending, The game will Answer all questions that was left un-answerd, it will finish the story, the players choice will play a big role in the ending etc. Except they gave us an a,b,c ending (even if the 3 ending are pretty much the same), and our choices had no impact on the ending, the was more questions left un-asnwerd at the end then at the start of the game. so to any ME fan i think it goes down as one of the worst endings in video game history.

I guess I'll just have to play it myself to find out. I still don't think I'll get angry enough to demand a refund like these people are. It isn't like Bioware was under a contract to provide the players everything they want, so Bioware haven't wronged them. These people should just be disappointed with Bioware, not demand their money back as if Bioware owed it to them.