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I like the Spaghetti Something God, but I have some doubt on his real power after having seen the old Guns n' roses CD "The Spaghetti Incident".



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What's the spaghetti monster?



TWRoO said:
What's the spaghetti monster?

Atheists will often say that if God exists, that God could be a spaghetti monster. Which is theologically absurd.



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Jumpin said:
TWRoO said:
Runa216 said:
Just to clear some stuff up, calling yourself an 'Atheist' doesn't mean you're some militant anti-religious nutjob...sure some go that far (like myself), but MOST atheists are happy to just...not bother themselves with the spiritual.

I'm kinda getting sick of people comparing the religious to atheists when by definition they are not the same.

Atheism is NOT "a belief that there is no god" (which is a belief in and of itself), an atheist who has no belief in God. Slightly different wording, entirely different meaning. I realize this is higher English and is a bit more complicated to decipher for forum users who often use abbreviations in lieu of punctuation, but the subtle syntax changes alter the meaning greatly.

Just because I hate religion and want it gone does not mean it's fair to assume EVERY atheist is as aggressive about it as I am, same as it's not fair to assume all christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church.

So stop labelling Atheists as god-haters.

While I agree that most atheists are not extremists (in the same way that most theists are not extremists, then again using the term 'extremist' should give people a clue about that) I think the term atheist is in fact "a belief that there is no God"... Those who are agnostic would be the ones who "have no belief in God" (as well as no belief that there definately is no God)

I think the problem is that many people who don't really know or care like myself, use the term atheist for themselves when strictly speaking they are more just agnostic or skeptic.

Personally I would say I am agnostic, but generally think most religious practice is kind of pointless. (Well, I guess it makes some people happy, so in that way it's like a form of entertainment... then again it also makes some people bored or unhappy. I suppose you could compare it to a historical documentary, some people can enjoy watching it but if you don't enjoy it and are forced to watch anyway it's going to make you bored or unhappy)

The "Neo-Atheist" movement is in fact a bunch of people who hate religion of all sorts. It is the sole point of the movement, to try and eliminate religion.

Agnosticism is different than Atheism in that while Atheists feel they have enough evidence to assert a belief that God doesn't exist, the agnostic doesn't believe this; instead the agnostic feels the question of existence is open to them - they admit they don't know the answer and don't have the evidence to begin to understand it - the agnostic feels that there is not enough evidence to answer the question of why the universe exists. 

An atheist will come up with criticisms like "the spaghetti monster" that are theologically absurd. The agnostic can generally recognize as well as a theist of what is theologically absurd. I think many agnosticsts are open to deism much more than general religion - many agnostics feel an anthropomorphic God is unlikely, but are much more open to other interpretations. 

As a Liberal Christian, I generally feel I have more to talk about with agnostics than the atheist or the conservative Christian. I am very much a subscriber to religious pluralism: Liberal Hinduism, Budhism, Islam, etc... Are different ways to interpret something essential the same as what I believe. They received the same message in different words, and with a different cultural matrix.

I define my Atheism as: I don't know if there is a God or not, but I think it's unlikely.

Would you call that agnostic? Agnostic atheism?

If atheism is the lack of belief in a God, aren't all agnostics atheists?



Jumpin said:
TWRoO said:
Runa216 said:
Just to clear some stuff up, calling yourself an 'Atheist' doesn't mean you're some militant anti-religious nutjob...sure some go that far (like myself), but MOST atheists are happy to just...not bother themselves with the spiritual.

I'm kinda getting sick of people comparing the religious to atheists when by definition they are not the same.

Atheism is NOT "a belief that there is no god" (which is a belief in and of itself), an atheist who has no belief in God. Slightly different wording, entirely different meaning. I realize this is higher English and is a bit more complicated to decipher for forum users who often use abbreviations in lieu of punctuation, but the subtle syntax changes alter the meaning greatly.

Just because I hate religion and want it gone does not mean it's fair to assume EVERY atheist is as aggressive about it as I am, same as it's not fair to assume all christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church.

So stop labelling Atheists as god-haters.

While I agree that most atheists are not extremists (in the same way that most theists are not extremists, then again using the term 'extremist' should give people a clue about that) I think the term atheist is in fact "a belief that there is no God"... Those who are agnostic would be the ones who "have no belief in God" (as well as no belief that there definately is no God)

I think the problem is that many people who don't really know or care like myself, use the term atheist for themselves when strictly speaking they are more just agnostic or skeptic.

Personally I would say I am agnostic, but generally think most religious practice is kind of pointless. (Well, I guess it makes some people happy, so in that way it's like a form of entertainment... then again it also makes some people bored or unhappy. I suppose you could compare it to a historical documentary, some people can enjoy watching it but if you don't enjoy it and are forced to watch anyway it's going to make you bored or unhappy)

The "Neo-Atheist" movement is in fact a bunch of people who hate religion of all sorts. It is the sole point of the movement, to try and eliminate religion.

Agnosticism is different than Atheism in that while Atheists feel they have enough evidence to assert a belief that God doesn't exist, the agnostic doesn't believe this; instead the agnostic feels the question of existence is open to them - they admit they don't know the answer and don't have the evidence to begin to understand it - the agnostic feels that there is not enough evidence to answer the question of why the universe exists. 

An atheist will come up with criticisms like "the spaghetti monster" that are theologically absurd. The agnostic can generally recognize as well as a theist of what is theologically absurd. I think many agnosticsts are open to deism much more than general religion - many agnostics feel an anthropomorphic God is unlikely, but are much more open to other interpretations. 

As a Liberal Christian, I generally feel I have more to talk about with agnostics than the atheist or the conservative Christian. I am very much a subscriber to religious pluralism: Liberal Hinduism, Budhism, Islam, etc... Are different ways to interpret something essential the same as what I believe. They received the same message in different words, and with a different cultural matrix.


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...



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pezus said:
Player1x3 said:


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...

Nice generalizations there, bud!

Thanks dude :)

 



pezus said:
Player1x3 said:


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...

Nice generalizations there, bud!

*Puts atheist stamp of approval on generalizing post*



pezus said:
Millenium said:
pezus said:
Player1x3 said:


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...

Nice generalizations there, bud!

*Puts atheist stamp of approval on generalizing post*

I'm honestly surprised he knows so much about the world, being only 19 and all. 

But lol, why would atheists not tell their parents?

I honestly could not think of a reason, perhaps because it's "frowned upon" in religious families, but I don't see how atheist kids not telling their parents/family is better in the long run.

Then again, I've always been extremely open about my being a atheist.



pezus said:
Millenium said:
pezus said:
Player1x3 said:


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...

Nice generalizations there, bud!

*Puts atheist stamp of approval on generalizing post*

I'm honestly surprised he knows so much about the world, being only 19 and all.

But lol, why would atheists not tell their parents?

because that would be a christian thing to do, i quote Jesus: " For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

pezus said:
Millenium said:
pezus said:
Player1x3 said:


Try to eliminate religion? Naah, never gonna happen. Sure they'd want that, but its just another wet dream. Most of ''neo-atheists'' today are 12-17 year old males who roam the internet (youtube in particular) and other forums searching for a flame war debate and let everyone know how much they love their non-christianity (tho most of them haven't even told their parents yet) while complaining how its being shoved down their throat. Maybe also an occasional 22-33 year old ''im 27 and i haven't told my parents im an atheists yet because i don't wanna move out fot being a genius'' type that usually guides the former group into doing those ''activities''. But that's about as much as ''activity'' they do, really. They posses no real threat in eliminating religion, faar from it.

 

BTW. i really like the underlined part in your post. If only more people realized that...

Nice generalizations there, bud!

*Puts atheist stamp of approval on generalizing post*

I'm honestly surprised he knows so much about the world, being only 19 and all. 

But lol, why would atheists not tell their parents?


It has absolutely nothing to do with my knowledge of the world, just my experience with the group i described so far :)