Wow, I didn't know my post would spur a debate like that. Anyways, I'll probably get this on release even though there will be no PVP on release. Blizzard usually doesn't release a broken game and they do a pretty good job / put effort into their patches.
| theprof00 said: fyi, I'm not saying Mario is a bad franchise, just credit where credit is due, and stop hating. (not aimed at you, but everyone here saying "poo poo it's taking so long". |
Well after going a few years of saying it is almost done or about to release you can see why some might have grown a little tired of waiting. I know it will be good and probably love it. It won't blow me away but most of their games don't. I just simply enjoy playing them because they usually try to make sure the game is balanced , etc.. While never perfect they at least try really hard to focus on gameplay unlike some developers. Most of their games never push graphics too much considering that would knock off a lot of their sales. They usually release a game that any middle or semi low end computer of the time can at least run on low settings and it still look semi decently / play fine. I'll stop because I am sure you already know this. I used to be one hell of a loyal Blizzard follower back in the day.
I think Blizzard games are a league of their own when it comes to longevity of sales. Considering the few releases the games actually have. Its very hard to compare a game like Diablo directly to mario (as mario gets almost annual releases). We dont know how well the older marios would sell if newer versions were never made. Id say diablo would stil be outdoing original mario games given the nature of the pc audience.
And also no bundling what so ever for diablo...and no major changes either. A true classic. Very few franchises have had such success. Mario would be one of them as well.
| Shinobi-san said: I think Blizzard games are a league of their own when it comes to longevity of sales. Considering the few releases the games actually have. Its very hard to compare a game like Diablo directly to mario (as mario gets almost annual releases). We dont know how well the older marios would sell if newer versions were never made. Id say diablo would stil be outdoing original mario games given the nature of the pc audience. And also no bundling what so ever for diablo...and no major changes either. A true classic. Very few franchises have had such success. Mario would be one of them as well. |
Diablo 2 had a bundle with the original game, expansion, and guides. Diablo 1 wasn't bundled due to having no expansion. Oh wait you are talking about bundled like game with console...
VicViper said:
And fun fact, did you remember you could not play diablo 2 in 800x600 originally? Thank god for expansions and patches possible on PC or else blizzard would have to do the unthinkable: completely reprogram it! Wow is much bigger than Diablo, what's your point? |
If you're going to continue an argument that someone else started, at least keep in mind what they said.
"pezus said:
The witcher 2 could have used a few months more in the oven, even though it was a great game. Blizzard makes games that sell for years and even decades because they focus so much on quality and balance.
sethnintendo said:
So they are like Nintendo but slower."
sethnintendo said:
Diablo 2 had a bundle with the original game, expansion, and guides. Diablo 1 wasn't bundled due to having no expansion. Oh wait you are talking about bundled like game with console... |
A diablo: battle chest is its own SKU. It's not counted as a diablo 2 or diablo 1 sale. It's a diablo battle chest. That is not bundling.
Bundling is getting something you didn't pay for and having it count as a sale.
| axumblade said: So I have 2 months to get a new computer. I think I can do that! :D |
Do it for real this time! 
Signature goes here!
theprof00 said:
If you're going to continue an argument that someone else started, at least keep in mind what they said. "pezus said: The witcher 2 could have used a few months more in the oven, even though it was a great game. Blizzard makes games that sell for years and even decades because they focus so much on quality and balance. sethnintendo said: |
What is your problem with responding my separate arguments? I even give each of them separate paragraphs! Anyway, the whole point I'm discussing is this (your post, I don't even know their discussion):
"Really the only comparison nintendo has is ocarina, and that's gone through three releases, and two developments, and one complete refresh, and half the sales."
And that's not true. Fact. Mario (others too) do it too.
@ the 17m sold;
GamesEdit
Sales data weight loss pills from List of best-selling video games (Wikipedia)
1. World of Warcraft (10.7 million subscribers) [1]
2. StarCraft including Brood War expansion (9.5 million)
3. Diablo II (4 million)
4. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction diet pills [expansion pack] (1 million; 2 million shipped)
5. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (3 million)
6. Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne [expansion pack] (5 million)
7. Diablo (2.5 million)
8. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (1 million)
FranchisesEdit
1. Warcraft (19 million) [2]
2. Diablo (18.5 million) [3]
3. StarCraft (9.5 million)
UpcomingEdit
* Starcraft II
* Diablo III
based on 2006 sales figures from vivendi games financial report, unless otherwise specified.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Blizzard_games
Link seems to be missing, but I'm sure it was there at some point.
| VicViper said: What is your problem with responding my separate arguments? I even give each of them separate paragraphs! Anyway, the whole point I'm discussing is this (your post, I don't even know their discussion): "Really the only comparison nintendo has is ocarina, and that's gone through three releases, and two developments, and one complete refresh, and half the sales." And that's not true. Fact. Mario (others too) do it too. |
Comparison because it's a game during the same year as diablo 2.
One game vs one game.
I didn't realize you were talking franchises until later on in the argument when you went on to say supermario alstars counts for all the mario games individually. To be honest, you didn't even mention the franchise until your fourth post, the previous ones talking about a specific game. Not my fault. Looked like you were just pushing back the goal posts.
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