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Some things missing.
First of all, tablets cost more (sometimes twice as much) as consoles.
Second, if Dad wants the iPad x for work, then junior can't play games on the TV
(in other words, multi-functionality) here is a problem.
Third, at some point, annual replacement will slow or stall. Many of the tablets are bought by businesses/firms for which an annual update is an unwarranted, unnecessary or unsupportable expense.
Related to that, how much would people be willing to spend on gaming for a unit that is not their own.
(For example, I type this on a work-purchased iPad2. There is no plan to buy iPad3s.
I also refrain from buying games for something that I don't own (I have spent $2 in apps in a year).

Finally, if you read those comments, they were long term conjecture. I would love to know the context.

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What I've learned is that well thought out and elaborate predictions like superchunk did above almost never come true, although they look very likely to happen. We do not know the future, but we'd like to think so.

pezus said:
What I've learned is that well thought out and elaborate predictions like superchunk did above almost never come true, although they look very likely to happen. We do not know the future, but we'd like to think so.

You'd like to think I don't know the future... bwhahahahaahahahha..



superchunk said:
pezus said:
What I've learned is that well thought out and elaborate predictions like superchunk did above almost never come true, although they look very likely to happen. We do not know the future, but we'd like to think so.

You'd like to think I don't know the future... bwhahahahaahahahha..

Mommy, I'm scared



"The market experienced stronger-than-expected growth across many regions and at many price points, leading to a full-year 2011 total of 68.7 million units. Based upon the markets' strong 2011 finish, and the clear demand expected in 2012, IDC has increased its 2012 forecast to 106.1 million units, up from its previous forecast of 87.7 million units.source

"Apple will sell 55 million iPads this year, with sales driven by a "significant" upgrade in the shape of the iPad 3, an analyst has predicted."  source

 

..anyone who has their head in the sand enough to think console gaming isn't going to be significantly impacted in apple/smartphones/tablets should ask themselves questions like what happend to the dedicated cd/mp3 player??  what's behind the garmin stock crash??  how come camera sales are down so much??  gaming is next i tell you.  yes, there are those (like you can me) that would by dedicated games devises but i'm quite sure that the size of the market isn't big enough to be able to withstand (finacially) loosing 25-50% of it's market.  the dedicated gaming machine concept is already crashing all around us. 



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kitler53 said:

"The market experienced stronger-than-expected growth across many regions and at many price points, leading to a full-year 2011 total of 68.7 million units. Based upon the markets' strong 2011 finish, and the clear demand expected in 2012, IDC has increased its 2012 forecast to 106.1 million units, up from its previous forecast of 87.7 million units.source

"Apple will sell 55 million iPads this year, with sales driven by a "significant" upgrade in the shape of the iPad 3, an analyst has predicted."  source

 

..anyone who has their head in the sand enough to think console gaming isn't going to be significantly impacted in apple/smartphones/tablets should ask themselves questions like what happend to the dedicated cd/mp3 player??  what's behind the garmin stock crash??  how come camera sales are down so much??  gaming is next i tell you.  yes, there are those (like you can me) that would by dedicated games devises but i'm quite sure that the size of the market isn't big enough to be able to withstand (finacially) loosing 25-50% of it's market.  the dedicated gaming machine concept is already crashing all around us. 

I think you're right, and I believe the big differentiator will be dedicated, exclusive content. I believe these emergent platforms will be so submerged with shovelware, consumers will be lost, unless Apple or Google come up with some branding strategy. Right now, the one thing you get from a dedicated consoles is working games out of the box. No need to buy a bluetooth controller to play games properly. All you need is games and you're good to go.

Anyway, I think the player in the best situation against this is Nintendo, but Sony is on the right path with Uncharted on the Vita and how it's making its brands more recognizable. Gran Turismo is sadly being met by Forza.



No, tablets and phones are eating into the handheld market but not consoles or PC. The handheld market and console/PC market have always existed side by side and both have done well. The only difference in the future will that the markets will be; the consoles/PC market and the tablets/phones/some kind of less important handheld market.
The consoles will simply adapt and become even more reliant on multimedia and online functionality as a counter-measure and the PC will always live in some form.

To think that tablets and phones will devour the gaming industry is silly.
kitler53: MP3 players and cameras are different, you can implement decent cameras and MP3 players in other devices. Gaming as a media will lose all its impact and sense in tablet/phone-only form, the huge screens, tight controls, massive sound etc. It would be like saying that the cinema is soon dead because everything will be on small handheld devices; too much of the experience will be lost in translation for media as big as movies and games and a screen with a few inches across and pathetic sound output and silly controls will never be able to replace that. One could argue that; well, you just hook your device to the TV or use portable speakers for the device (but the sound and picture output won't be very good compared to a dedicated device). Well, then that sort of removes the purpose of the device, doesn't it?

No, games in their current form will survive and so will movies.



End of 2014 hardware sales:

Wii U: 10 million. PS4: 15.5 million. One: 11 million. 3DS: 53 million. PSVita: 9.6 million.

happydolphin said:
kitler53 said:

"The market experienced stronger-than-expected growth across many regions and at many price points, leading to a full-year 2011 total of 68.7 million units. Based upon the markets' strong 2011 finish, and the clear demand expected in 2012, IDC has increased its 2012 forecast to 106.1 million units, up from its previous forecast of 87.7 million units.source

"Apple will sell 55 million iPads this year, with sales driven by a "significant" upgrade in the shape of the iPad 3, an analyst has predicted."  source

 

..anyone who has their head in the sand enough to think console gaming isn't going to be significantly impacted in apple/smartphones/tablets should ask themselves questions like what happend to the dedicated cd/mp3 player??  what's behind the garmin stock crash??  how come camera sales are down so much??  gaming is next i tell you.  yes, there are those (like you can me) that would by dedicated games devises but i'm quite sure that the size of the market isn't big enough to be able to withstand (finacially) loosing 25-50% of it's market.  the dedicated gaming machine concept is already crashing all around us. 

I think you're right, and I believe the big differentiator will be dedicated, exclusive content. I believe these emergent platforms will be so submerged with shovelware, consumers will be lost, unless Apple or Google come up with some branding strategy. Right now, the one thing you get from a dedicated consoles is working games out of the box. No need to buy a bluetooth controller to play games properly. All you need is games and you're good to go.

Anyway, I think the player in the best situation against this is Nintendo, but Sony is on the right path with Uncharted on the Vita and how it's making its brands more recognizable. Gran Turismo is sadly being met by Forza.


disagree - apple has that and even one ups it 'cause they already have your credit card info.  buying off the app store is too easy actually.  exclusive content will work for a while but when EA, Ubisoft, ect defect not even nintendo's first party will save them imo.  things will be good enough on smartphones/tablets to make a dedicated device unjustifyable just like how i decided not to replace my cannon as my iphone 4S's camera is more than good enough to me.



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kitler53 said:
happydolphin said:
kitler53 said:

"The market experienced stronger-than-expected growth across many regions and at many price points, leading to a full-year 2011 total of 68.7 million units. Based upon the markets' strong 2011 finish, and the clear demand expected in 2012, IDC has increased its 2012 forecast to 106.1 million units, up from its previous forecast of 87.7 million units.source

"Apple will sell 55 million iPads this year, with sales driven by a "significant" upgrade in the shape of the iPad 3, an analyst has predicted."  source

 

..anyone who has their head in the sand enough to think console gaming isn't going to be significantly impacted in apple/smartphones/tablets should ask themselves questions like what happend to the dedicated cd/mp3 player??  what's behind the garmin stock crash??  how come camera sales are down so much??  gaming is next i tell you.  yes, there are those (like you can me) that would by dedicated games devises but i'm quite sure that the size of the market isn't big enough to be able to withstand (finacially) loosing 25-50% of it's market.  the dedicated gaming machine concept is already crashing all around us. 

I think you're right, and I believe the big differentiator will be dedicated, exclusive content. I believe these emergent platforms will be so submerged with shovelware, consumers will be lost, unless Apple or Google come up with some branding strategy. Right now, the one thing you get from a dedicated consoles is working games out of the box. No need to buy a bluetooth controller to play games properly. All you need is games and you're good to go.

Anyway, I think the player in the best situation against this is Nintendo, but Sony is on the right path with Uncharted on the Vita and how it's making its brands more recognizable. Gran Turismo is sadly being met by Forza.


disagree - apple has that and even one ups it 'cause they already have your credit card info.  buying off the app store is too easy actually.  exclusive content will work for a while but when EA, Ubisoft, ect defect not even nintendo's first party will save them imo.  things will be good enough on smartphones/tablets to make a dedicated device unjustifyable just like how i decided not to replace my cannon as my iphone 4S's camera is more than good enough to me.

Hey, Nintendo can survive off 1st party, and that's a fact, sorry N64, GC and GB/GBA tell the story. But let's put that aside.

For bold, I was mostly referring to future AAA games, which will likely require a controller of sorts (one would imagine). Since OP is really referring to the future of the iPad in terms of its graphical capabilities and the compatibility of that with AAA 3rd party offerings. That would require a controller. What A dedicated console offers is a package, one the consumer can trust. I believe that same level of trust is not present with the Android/iOS platforms. No controller, and submerged with so many offerings, they could get lost (unless some branding measure is taken). That's one downside I see to all this.



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kitler53 said:
happydolphin said:

I think you're right, and I believe the big differentiator will be dedicated, exclusive content. I believe these emergent platforms will be so submerged with shovelware, consumers will be lost, unless Apple or Google come up with some branding strategy. Right now, the one thing you get from a dedicated consoles is working games out of the box. No need to buy a bluetooth controller to play games properly. All you need is games and you're good to go.

Anyway, I think the player in the best situation against this is Nintendo, but Sony is on the right path with Uncharted on the Vita and how it's making its brands more recognizable. Gran Turismo is sadly being met by Forza.


disagree - apple has that and even one ups it 'cause they already have your credit card info.  buying off the app store is too easy actually.  exclusive content will work for a while but when EA, Ubisoft, ect defect not even nintendo's first party will save them imo.  things will be good enough on smartphones/tablets to make a dedicated device unjustifyable just like how i decided not to replace my cannon as my iphone 4S's camera is more than good enough to me.

You're comparing the convenience of carrying around one device that accomplishes many things for the general consumer with a home game console that can easily reside in your entertainment center; they're two different things.  And remember, game consoles aren't limited to only games anymore, either... even the Wii has Netflix.