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sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

Its allready happening. Its people like you that still cling to the old ways. Would I prefer free DLC? Sure. But thats just not possible when gaming is as big as it is now. Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. 

Dragon age origins is a 86 metacritic for 360. Its a 79 for Part 2. There was a noticable drop in ACTUAL QUALITY. ME3 is still in the 90's. Talis face and day one DLC arent things that factor into a games review score....AKA quality. ME3 is also selling much faster then part 2, another stark contrast to your Dragon Age example. That example is broken. 

ME3 is just whiny nitpicky hate, nothing more. 

Its not Whiny or Nitpicky hate, ME3's ending has alot of loop holes. And it does not end things without a cliff hanger as you said, did you get the good ending??, if so you know sharped is alive??, Please do explain how that is possible??. He was in space, Crash landed to earth, but yet he is still alive??.

Every choice you are giving at the end is pretty much a bad choice, and all seem to lead to the same outcome. You're team thats with you on earth, got to the normandy and decided to run?? why??, why would they not try to help you when you where shot??. I can go on and on about the loop holes, put i don't want to. So trust me, don't come saying that what im saying is being whiny or nitpicky. I'm a die hard ME fan, i waiting a long time for this game, and bioware ruins it with such a dumb ending..



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sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

One thing you've totally missed is that, the game isn't good, mediocre actually.
and the fact that its filled with plotholes, and that most of the things in ME1 are thrown to the shitter for a more actiony blockbuster cliche storyline with big bangs and " kickin' ass! " , its all shitty, and i am not surprised about it actually Bioware never did a good sequel ever.

Not to mentioned that EA made the storyline more stupid with all the spin offs and the shitty comic books (they're so shitty that they had to stop printing them and go back to drawing board , google it, i'm not making this up)

to me Mass Effect should have ended with ME1 , it didn't really need miranda's bewbs! or elusive man's cerberus or the stupid  depressed characters in ME2, that are just forgetable.



sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

Its allready happening. Its people like you that still cling to the old ways. Would I prefer free DLC? Sure. But thats just not possible when gaming is as big as it is now. Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. 

Dragon age origins is a 86 metacritic for 360. Its a 79 for Part 2. There was a noticable drop in ACTUAL QUALITY. ME3 is still in the 90's. Talis face and day one DLC arent things that factor into a games review score....AKA quality. ME3 is also selling much faster then part 2, another stark contrast to your Dragon Age example. That example is broken. 

ME3 is just whiny nitpicky hate, nothing more. 

Alright, while I support companies that reward gamers for  loyalty to a franchise and don't insult me with over-priced cut content and unerwhelming quality, I'll leave you to swallow up the shit that other companies will feed gamers relase after release. To each their own. 

". Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. "

That is just plain wrong. The principle of acting on a belief is just that, a principle. It doesn't change when the issue is a miniscule one or a world-changing one. Lazy, lazy argument. If you had thought about what you had written for a moment you would know that. 



Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

Its allready happening. Its people like you that still cling to the old ways. Would I prefer free DLC? Sure. But thats just not possible when gaming is as big as it is now. Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. 

Dragon age origins is a 86 metacritic for 360. Its a 79 for Part 2. There was a noticable drop in ACTUAL QUALITY. ME3 is still in the 90's. Talis face and day one DLC arent things that factor into a games review score....AKA quality. ME3 is also selling much faster then part 2, another stark contrast to your Dragon Age example. That example is broken. 

ME3 is just whiny nitpicky hate, nothing more. 

Alright, while I support companies that reward gamers for  loyalty to a franchise and don't insult me with over-priced cut content and unerwhelming quality, I'll leave you to swallow up the shit that other companies will feed gamers relase after release. To each their own. 

". Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. "

That is just plain wrong. The principle of acting on a belief is just that, a principle. It doesn't change when the issue is a miniscule one or a world-changing one. Lazy, lazy argument. If you had thought about what you had written for a moment you would know that. 

So what you gonna do? Death threats. Bomb the homes of Bioware employees? Hijack trucks that deliever ME3? Release a deadly man-made disease onto the Bioware building grounds?

Now some realistic things to do are to contact the mainstream media, get a physical paper petition, protests on the street or infront of Biowares building. Stuff that requires you to get away from a computer screen and use your real name and physical body in the real world to make a difference. 

Cause if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else.



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Older and wiser. Still bias and proud though ;)

sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

Its allready happening. Its people like you that still cling to the old ways. Would I prefer free DLC? Sure. But thats just not possible when gaming is as big as it is now. Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. 

Dragon age origins is a 86 metacritic for 360. Its a 79 for Part 2. There was a noticable drop in ACTUAL QUALITY. ME3 is still in the 90's. Talis face and day one DLC arent things that factor into a games review score....AKA quality. ME3 is also selling much faster then part 2, another stark contrast to your Dragon Age example. That example is broken. 

ME3 is just whiny nitpicky hate, nothing more. 

Alright, while I support companies that reward gamers for  loyalty to a franchise and don't insult me with over-priced cut content and unerwhelming quality, I'll leave you to swallow up the shit that other companies will feed gamers relase after release. To each their own. 

". Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. "

That is just plain wrong. The principle of acting on a belief is just that, a principle. It doesn't change when the issue is a miniscule one or a world-changing one. Lazy, lazy argument. If you had thought about what you had written for a moment you would know that. 

So what you gonna do? Death threats. Bomb the homes of Bioware employees? Hijack trucks that deliever ME3? Release a deadly man-made disease onto the Bioware building grounds?

Now some realistic things to do are to contact the mainstream media, get a physical paper petition, protests on the street or infront of Biowares building. Stuff that requires you to get away from a computer screen and use your real name and physical body in the real world to make a difference. 

Cause if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else.

Aahahaha. Your posts are cute. Wrong, but cute.

I like the multiple sensationalist suggestions, one definitely wouldn't get your point across. 

I've done the realistic things, I've voted with my wallet (not bought the game), I've complained as best I could to Bioware on twitter, I've contacted writers of articles I respect and congratulated them and I've tried to tell gamers the truth about ME3. Not the truth that they flat out should not buy it, just the truth about the content of the game so they can decide for themselves. All of your 'realistic' suggestions are pretty hilarious. 

"if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else."

Oh boy, how wrong you are. The internet is THE tool for social mobilisation, haven't you heard about the Arab Spring at all? 



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So what you gonna do? Death threats. Bomb the homes of Bioware employees? Hijack trucks that deliever ME3? Release a deadly man-made disease onto the Bioware building grounds?

Now some realistic things to do are to contact the mainstream media, get a physical paper petition, protests on the street or infront of Biowares building. Stuff that requires you to get away from a computer screen and use your real name and physical body in the real world to make a difference. 

Cause if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else.

well he is helping to spread the word not to buy it.

Better than actual protests all he needs to do is protest with his purchases.



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So what you gonna do? Death threats. Bomb the homes of Bioware employees? Hijack trucks that deliever ME3? Release a deadly man-made disease onto the Bioware building grounds?

Now some realistic things to do are to contact the mainstream media, get a physical paper petition, protests on the street or infront of Biowares building. Stuff that requires you to get away from a computer screen and use your real name and physical body in the real world to make a difference. 

Cause if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else.

Aahahaha. Your posts are cute. Wrong, but cute.

I like the multiple sensationalist suggestions, one definitely wouldn't get your point across. 

I've done the realistic things, I've voted with my wallet (not bought the game), I've complained as best I could to Bioware on twitter, I've contacted writers of articles I respect and congratulated them and I've tried to tell gamers the truth about ME3. Not the truth that they flat out should not buy it, just the truth about the content of the game so they can decide for themselves. All of your 'realistic' suggestions are pretty hilarious. 

"if your gonna stick to the internet to get your point across.........you might just quit now and deal like everybody else."

Oh boy, how wrong you are. The internet is THE tool for social mobilisation, haven't you heard about the Arab Spring at all? 

I could say your posts are equally blind. Voting with your wallet by not buying lol gimme a break. ME3 sales are way bigger then ME2. Point: You cant do it alone. Twitter complaining: Cute, very cute. Contacting writers that have 0 input at Bioware: nice job. Tell gamers the truth: So you tell a couple dozen gamers or so on the internet and real life. Add a few MILLION and maybe youd make a difference. 

And really, the "realistic suggestions, mainly to contact the media and do real life protests IMO are the way to go to get change. What you need is to cause awareness in the real to really draw attention. 

You just compared gaming to the Arab Spring.........think about that. Really. 



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Older and wiser. Still bias and proud though ;)

While it is a basic Photoshop. I don't find it to be a big deal. They model the characters off of real actors/actresses anyways.



Sales, you should really check the BioWare forums.

Its a lot of people annoyed, not just Sal.



Wagram said:
While it is a basic Photoshop. I don't find it to be a big deal. They model the characters off of real actors/actresses anyways.



Who were Wrex, Garrus, Mordin and any Volus modelled after?