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I saw this on the BioWare forums, regarding the ending and Joker running away/ leaving Shep to die.

"Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here? "

Also something funny that happened at BioWare.



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I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.



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sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 



Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 



___________

Older and wiser. Still bias and proud though ;)

Sal.Paradise said:

Uh oh!

The best Mass Effect 3 review is out! Play it loud!

>now being made by bioware, a company known for its amazing RPGs, mass effect 3 is naturally a 3rd person cover based shooter

(video)

Is the cutscene they showed as an example real? Not altered in any way?



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

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sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

 

 

RolStoppable said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Uh oh!

The best Mass Effect 3 review is out! Play it loud!

>now being made by bioware, a company known for its amazing RPGs, mass effect 3 is naturally a 3rd person cover based shooter

(video)

Is the cutscene they showed as an example real? Not altered in any way?

 

Yes, absolutely real, Bioware Quality. (He added the sound effect when Shepard punched the guy, that's it) Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVU6vHe5quw&list=LL-5_7zFiMfT7dDlaEXbe06g&index=8&feature=plpp_video 

Remember, the game in that video is the 10/10 wonder game that is supposedly a pinnacle of story-telling and innovation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Sal.Paradise said:
RolStoppable said:

Is the cutscene they showed as an example real? Not altered in any way?

 

Yes, absolutely real, Bioware Quality. (He added the sound effect when Shepard punched the guy, that's it) Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVU6vHe5quw&list=LL-5_7zFiMfT7dDlaEXbe06g&index=8&feature=plpp_video 

Remember, the game in that video is the 10/10 wonder game that is supposedly a pinnacle of story-telling and innovation. 

It's hard to say what makes this cutscene so bad. The voice acting, the awkward animation or the eyes of the characters. Probably all of them.

But praise for this kind of storytelling lines up with the praise for KotoR. I remember seeing a review of the Xbox version on the DVD of a video game magazine that showed off an example of the great freedom the game offers. It was about two families who didn't like each other or something like that and you, the player, could solve the conflict in a couple of different ways. They picked the option to make matters worse and then one guy shot a member of the other family while everyone else was standing still. Then someone of the other family raised a gun and killed a person in return, all the while everyone else is standing still. This went back and forth until almost everyone was dead. It was ridiculous, yet it was being praised by the reviewer.

I really don't get why stuff that is so poorly executed can get (almost) perfect scores on a regular basis. Either reviewers are being paid off or they really have low standards when it comes to this kind of stuff.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
Sal.Paradise said:
RolStoppable said:

Is the cutscene they showed as an example real? Not altered in any way?

 

Yes, absolutely real, Bioware Quality. (He added the sound effect when Shepard punched the guy, that's it) Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVU6vHe5quw&list=LL-5_7zFiMfT7dDlaEXbe06g&index=8&feature=plpp_video 

Remember, the game in that video is the 10/10 wonder game that is supposedly a pinnacle of story-telling and innovation. 

It's hard to say what makes this cutscene so bad. The voice acting, the awkward animation or the eyes of the characters. Probably all of them.

But praise for this kind of storytelling lines up with the praise for KotoR. I remember seeing a review of the Xbox version on the DVD of a video game magazine that showed off an example of the great freedom the game offers. It was about two families who didn't like each other or something like that and you, the player, could solve the conflict in a couple of different ways. They picked the option to make matters worse and then one guy shot a member of the other family while everyone else was standing still. Then someone of the other family raised a gun and killed a person in return, all the while everyone else is standing still. This went back and forth until almost everyone was dead. It was ridiculous, yet it was being praised by the reviewer.

I really don't get why stuff that is so poorly executed can get (almost) perfect scores on a regular basis. Either reviewers are being paid off or they really have low standards when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I'm pretty sure I don't have to tell you this, but there is a general consensus within gaming ournalism that big games deserve big scores, especially when they're part of  an established franchise. Final Fantasy 13 is the big exception that comes to mind, but the sad thing is it scored very hihgly in Japan. What this shows is that Western reviewers are not afraid to break this rule when the game is foreign, same for the Japanese press.

Game journalists and developers are just so cozily intertwined now in their respective countries that there will inevitably be a level of corruption. Don't review a game well? You won't get early acces to the game for news articles and reviews on launch, meaning less hits for your site. Review it well? Yeh we'll invite you to all our games' launch parties and press conferences and ship you the game directly, pre-launch.

I mean, IGN had an employee in the damn game they were reviewing. They gave ME3 a never seen before dedicated launch page, with an advertisement directly below the 9.5 score linking to 'buy this game at gamestop' and another advert on the right that said 'buy this game on 360, better with Kinect' and a blurb that was highlighted from the main review text saying 'it is highly recommended you play ME1 and ME2 before you play this game'. I mean, it's just obvious at this point. 

Listening to Jeff Gerstmann at giantbomb has been particularly interesting, he isn't afraid to tell it like it is. Multiple times he, at gamespot and giantbomb, were cut out of events and game shipments because of reviews. Just sad. 



Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
sales2099 said:
I think some gamers are whiny babies. ( I hope this isn't a banable thing, I am expressing my opinion on no particular user, just the mass of haters on a great game).

-Homosexual choice (if your straight, you probably wont see that choice carried out anyway)
- Tali's face (irritated she didnt look more "alien" but its a extremely small thing to concern oneself with)
- Day one DLC (So what. Not ideal but no biggie. Mom and dad buy it for you if ur a kid or if you have a job you buy it yourself).
- The ending not what you wanted (personally I found it wrapped up everything nicely, the fact that it wasnt the holywood ending of earth is saved and everybody throws a party was good: it was something i didnt expect)

Cry me a river. To rip on a dev for making such a great game on little nitpicky things is shameful. Im not accusing anyone here, but those people to have this outcry need to find something in real life really worth raging over.

Certainly these aren't enough reasons to not buy a 90+ metacritic WRPG as the sales show.

Ew. Lots of things I don't like about this post. I'll bite.

Buying games because they have a high metacritic rating? Please..

I don't see anyone that isn't a moron complaining about sexual choice. It doesn't add anything to the game for me, it doens't detract anything, whatever.

The issue with Tali's face, is that after FIVE YEARS of teasing fans and building up a major character (one that thousands of people have become worriyingly attached to (there is a hilarious post on the BW forums about the chemical composition of Tali's sweat)) they decide to unveil probably one of the games' biggest mysteries with...a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image. It's laziness, its not caring for their fans, its simply insulting to the thousands that have talked about her 'unveiling' endlessly on forums and with friends. Fan pictures of Tali on deviantart are far more impressive for christ's sake. They legitimaetly spent more time modelling cameltoes on female models than they did on the unveiling of one of the series' main characters.

Your apathy towards DLC is damaging. I've written lengthy amounts about this on other websites, but as you are obviously not interested in the state of the industry, let me tell you how it affects you. Expect moving forward to pay more and more money for less and less content, if you sit down and take it  from these companies. It's that simple. 

Sane people aren't complaining that the ending wasn't happy. (I like depressing endings in fact, as you said a nice change from Hollywood endings). The problem is >IT MAKES NO GOD DAMNED SENSE<. As I've said elsewhere: Any choices you made before are irrelevant (except for an arbitrary rating that you can increase doing shitty mmo style fetch quests and multiplayer), none of th endings make logical sense, the endings only come about by a massive deus ex machina, and yet somehow the difference between the alternate endings is also laughably small.

It's ok, you can accuse me, I don't mind. 

Seems we agree on whoever gay bashes is a moron. 

I personally was irritated that Tali didnt look more alien but thats it. Tali is only a supporting cast character, all this outrage seems like its overdoing it.  

I quite the contrary do understand the state of the industry. This happens more and more because time and time again gamers as a whole keep paying for it. This is an industry with a focus on profit may I remind you. We vocal minorities have no voice compared to the masses of gamers who have zero problem paying money for this stuff, thus encouraging more devs to follow suit. But also, and I cant stress this enough, as industries get bigger and more prominent/mainstream, and this gen is the biggest of them all, the industry finds more commodities and ways to get more cash flow. Tis the way of any industry. You just gotta deal. 

Furthermore, you think signing petitions, forum raging, and not buying the game out of protest is gonna do anything meaningful when again the majority opt for the DLC? You have to find a way to become the majority voice, otherwise your missing out on the larger picture that is the game as a whole. Start doing terrorist tactics like killing CEOs of 3rd party developers and hijacking/burning shipments of the games b4 they hit retail (Obviosuly not serious). Point is, anything short of extreme measures and your voice will NOT overpower where the industry is evolving, for better or for worse. 

The ending thingy we can argue all day long, it really is open to interpretation. But it was definitive and it ended the conflict with no real cliffhanger, which is what a ending should do. 

In the end, these are all nitpicky things that completely undermine the years of time, money, and manpower put into this game. People not buying all that hard work just because they took a shortcut with Talis face or some early DLC is disgusting. 

No no no no. No no no noooo.

You think that because something seems insurmountable you shouldn't pursue it? I mean, have you looked at..history? At all? Sure the issue od day one dlc isn't on the same level as the civil rights movement, but you CAN change things with a collective effort. The people like you are the reason why companies get away with this shit. One by one everyone falls into your mentality that it's impossible to stop so we have accept it. No. History has shown us that is not the case.

Hell, let's drop the history talk. Look at Dragon Age sales for proof that bad mouthing a company that releases a shitty product can affect sales. Dragon Age Origins - 4.07m. What about the sales of DA2 you ask? 1.86 Million. The sequel to a multiple game of the year winner thta recieved an even bigger marketing push and cross-game promotions. Why would it sell so much worse? People power. Even though the biggest games outlets gave it 9/10 out their asses, the bad word of mouth and negative press ensured that after the initial pre0order and launch spike, it dropped immediately. If enough people make their voices heard, you can change things far bigger than yourself. Vote me for president yeh ok.

Its allready happening. Its people like you that still cling to the old ways. Would I prefer free DLC? Sure. But thats just not possible when gaming is as big as it is now. Gaming DLC pricing will never remotely match any REAL thing worth fighting for in our history, which is where this principle of your regarding gaming is flawed. 

Dragon age origins is a 86 metacritic for 360. Its a 79 for Part 2. There was a noticable drop in ACTUAL QUALITY. ME3 is still in the 90's. Talis face and day one DLC arent things that factor into a games review score....AKA quality. ME3 is also selling much faster then part 2, another stark contrast to your Dragon Age example. That example is broken. 

ME3 is just whiny nitpicky hate, nothing more. 



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