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Forums - Politics Discussion - Miracle or not, Putin on course to win in Russia

Kasz216 on 03 March 2012
Mr Khan said:
It will be interesting to see if he makes any substantive policy changes based on his wavering support. It is the real test of Putin's leadership ability, because anyone can lead in an environment that is well-suited for them. The test of mettle is how you perform outside your element. Putin worked best with a society that needed strong leadership but did not particularly care about accountability. Now that Russians desire accountability along with the continued need for strong leadership, where will Putin fall?


Should be intresting.

I wonder just how close his ties with the military are in the case he feels the need to go against the grain.



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lordmandeep on 03 March 2012

Well frankly I think some countries are so divided and messed up that democracy cannot function.

A great example is Pakistan.


I think the thing about Putin is that he may be evil, but I think if he was to go the power vacuum would likely send Russia into chaos.



Mr Khan on 03 March 2012
lordmandeep said:
Well frankly I think some countries are so divided and messed up that democracy cannot function.

A great example is Pakistan.


I think the thing about Putin is that he may be evil, but I think if he was to go the power vacuum would likely send Russia into chaos.

Russia is better-developed than Pakistan, the trouble is that the Russian electorate doesn't act like that of a developed nation. The Russian middle class has never been able to coalesce into an effective liberal (small "L" liberal) voting bloc, but if proper middle-class leadership could emerge, something representing Russia's future rather than the oligarchs or Russia's past, then you could see something

Because of Soviet educational standards and the economic growth under Putin, Russia has met the preconditions for a stronger democracy than it has, maybe not perfect, but not as poor as it is, it's just that the internal structure of Russian politics has prevented anything meaningful from coming of that yet.



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lordmandeep on 03 March 2012

I agree with that but until a proper legitimate opposition that can form govt exists or a more liberally minded person emerges in his party, I think disposing of Putin would cause more problems for Russia.



Cold Light on 04 March 2012

Yup, he won.




 

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lordmandeep on 04 March 2012

He is projected to win around 58-60% of the vote, which is down somewhat but a complete victory.



ArcticGabe on 04 March 2012

Great victory for the Russian people!
Well Done President Putin!



Dark_Lord_2008 on 04 March 2012

Vote rigging. Corruption! Russian democracy is a farce. Countless Opposition Parties were not allowed to run against Putin in the election.




Kasz216 on 04 March 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Who do Russian like more? Putin or the last President in Russia before him?

First you have to decide what you mean by last president before him. 

Do you mean the guy who was keeping his seat warm up until he re-ran as he controlled things as PM, or the guy before him?

 

The guy before him was Boris Yeltsen.  Putin I believe is more popular, though it's not that much of a differnece since they're essentially two peas in a pod.

Up until recently the main opposition party was a "back to communism" party so it's not like there has been much competition.

The current opposition party is essentially a "Get Vladmir Putin out of office" Party that's a wide coalition of different groups with different goals.  Human rights, right wing parties, left wing parites, communists...

Even if they were to win, it's questionable if they would accomplish anything.



oldschoolfool on 04 March 2012

We all know he's just another dictator hiding behind the so called russian democracy.