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FishyJoe on 20 April 2007
kalent said:

I'm hoping this post doesn't come off weird, but my inability to quote websites may prove to distort my point, anywho on Kotaku there's a story about the latest NPD #'s titled "Nintendo DS, God of War II top March Sales Charts, PS3 Trails GBA[Updated}"

The post contains that same quote yo've got up FishyJoe, and then apparently further down they have an update where Dave Karraker(sony's mouthpiece type guy) makes some point about what "in-stock" means for a store, or 30 units for a store like the PS2 or Xbox-360's current stock levels which allows that product to get support in weekly ads.

The point is that supply-constrained is a loose term to Sony, so its not much as they're blatantly lying, but that their using a term in such a way that would confuse just about anyone besides themselves, and there-in-by leading to most people, such as us on the board, to mock their inability to communicate what they mean. They really should have clarified that in their initial announcement methinks.

So uhhh, if anyone can actually link that site it would be much appreciated, I'm still new at this message board thing.

 


So if I understand what you are saying. Because retails stores didn't have a glut of PS3s to the point where they are forced to advertise to unload them, that is the reason the PS3 sold poorly? That even sounds worse that outright lying.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 20 April 2007

Itrackr says PS3 is 94% national availability



 

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kalent on 20 April 2007

That's a good point, I was just trying to explain why they said "supply constrained" in describing the clearly not supply constrained situation the PS3 is currently in.



Quartz on 20 April 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Itrackr says PS3 is 94% national availability

 The only supply constrain is the LACK OF GAMES!



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dallas on 20 April 2007

Lie:  Sony saying that supply is constrained

Damned Lie:  MS lying about sales

 Stats:  The people on this forum that manipulate data, so that their point is "proved" as if anything could be proved right now about any of the systems



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staticneuron on 20 April 2007
Erik Aston said:

Hasn't Sony claimed to have met their goal of shipping 6 million units, too? Funny when two lies totally contradict each other.


 Not really. There are 27+ major regions or countries the PS3 is shipped to. If you, lets say, ship 200k to each area that amount would equal to 5.4 million consoles. Granted they might not sell out at every area and there is a high chance that retailers will not order more if the unit is not selling (the onus of storage falls on the retailers). Chances are all this means is that there really are 3 million PS3's sitting on shelves while in certain area's the system is moving.



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johnsobas on 20 April 2007
dallas said:

Lie:  Sony saying that supply is constrained

Damned Lie:  MS lying about sales

 Stats:  The people on this forum that manipulate data, so that their point is "proved" as if anything could be proved right now about any of the systems


we can't "prove" anything, we can just use common sense.  If you go to the store and they have PS3s, they are available online, and online tracking says that PS3 is in 94% availability there is no supply constraints.  Perhaps somewhere in the world the PS3 is supply constrained, but you could say that about any console.



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dallas on 20 April 2007
johnsobas said:
dallas said:

Lie:  Sony saying that supply is constrained

Damned Lie:  MS lying about sales

 Stats:  The people on this forum that manipulate data, so that their point is "proved" as if anything could be proved right now about any of the systems


we can't "prove" anything, we can just use common sense.  If you go to the store and they have PS3s, they are available online, and online tracking says that PS3 is in 94% availability there is no supply constraints.  Perhaps somewhere in the world the PS3 is supply constrained, but you could say that about any console.


Right and I have no doubt that this is corporate BS, but even if this was true, this is not nearly as aggregious as MS's pumping sales with BS numbers.



SlorgNet on 20 April 2007
FishyJoe said:

At least most of the Sony fanboys will admit that supply is plentiful. Why not just say when the newer games come out in the summer, they expect sales to increase. Instead they have to put out this baloney about supply problems. Sometimes it's better just to say nothing.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13615

Despite the PlayStation 3 being outperformed not only by the Xbox 360 and Wii, but also the Nintendo DS, PlayStation 2, PSP and even Game Boy Advance, the statement goes on to assert that, “PS3 saw a month-over-month increase of 2 percent with sales of 129,638 units, we continued to find ourselves supply constrained in March due primarily to the shift in manufacturing focus to the PS3 PAL version to support the launch of the system in Europe.”


 A company issuing PR releases which make them look good? Shocked, I am shocked! Actually, there really is a supply constraint on next-gen sales, but it isn't the consoles themselves, it's... (drum roll)... HDTV. You really need an HDTV to get the most out of 360/PS3, but there aren't enough people out there who have those TVs. They're damn expensive ($700 and up). So what's happening is that the same niche market which bought 360s last year are now splitting their dollars between the 360 and PS3. It all depends on how fast HDTV spreads in the mass market. 



Erik Aston on 20 April 2007

Dave Karraker(sony's mouthpiece type guy) makes some point about what "in-stock" means for a store, or 30 units for a store like the PS2 or Xbox-360's current stock levels which allows that product to get support in weekly ads.

Ah! So they redefine terms to suit them. Of course, with this kind of definition for "supply constraints" it has absolutely no bearing on the awful NPD sales.



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