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crissindahouse said:
Euphoria14 said:
crissindahouse said:
Euphoria14 said:

crissindahouse said:

thx man! i wonder why they don't control the online purchases better? it has to hurt the shops who don't sell online (and produce more jobs) doesn't it?

i know from here that retailers in the cities have problems to stay alive because of the online shops but the tax is the same for both. if i could get it over the internet tax free (ok you say you should pay tax then as well but nobody does^^) or would have to pay  tax in the shop the price difference has to be even greater!

but great that your tax rate is between 4-9% in most places in usa, we have 19% here for most products :( ok "only" 7% for groceries but for almost everything else 19%. it'S the most important tax for our gouvernment. more than 30% of the tax income comes from this.

i wonder how much would be the difference between the costs for a german or an us american with average income with all taxes included. tax on income, tax for gasoline (which is a huge difference between usa and europe and especially germany), and so on...

Just out of curiousity, how much does your income check get taxed? I know that here in New York, after medical, dental, social security, NY State Tax, Federal Tax, etc... I lose anywhere between 25-30% of my check. Then on top of that I have to pay 8.65% tax or so on just about every purchase I make...

It sucks here too, especially on Long Island where the cost of living is high.

hard to say. depends if you are single, married and both work or only one of both, if you have children, how much your income is and blabla^^

first 8k per year are free and people above that have to pay between 14-45 percent. and on top of that you have to pay 5.5% of the income tax as "solidarity" payment for eastern germany (old ddr) to get this area to the same standard western germany has. and then you have to pay a little bit if you are "officially" religious :)

 

but an example:

let's say you are single and earn 30k euro per year "net" (after payment for health insurance, pension insurance and so on), then you have to pay 31,5 percent income tax + 5.5% solidarity payment of the income tax amount.

if you earn 40k it's 36.1 percent and if you only earn 20k it's 27%.

 

if you are married and only one spouse is working and you have some children it can be much better for you.

Sounds confusing.

 

So, if you were to make 32k euro per year gross, what would be your take home pay for that year?

Here in New York if I were to make (Let's pick a random number shall we? ) ~$32,760/year gross, after paying for taxes, medical coverage and all else as a father of (1), you would bring home just ~$21,251.

depends if you are married and if your wife is working as well and then it depends how much you and she earn and which tax class you chose. in germany, if someone is earning a lot and the other one not so much you can chose 2 classes. the one who doesn't earn so much can go in the worst class to pay a lot percentual and the one who's earning a lot can chose a class where he has to pay not so much percentual^^  which is better than both paying the same percentual.

but let's say you are 35 and married, both earn the same (and you go both in the same tax class then because the other system only works with different income) and have one child:

if you earn 32k gross:

social payments:

3136€ pension fund + 480€ unemployment insurance + 312€ nursing care insurance + 2624€ health insurance

= 6552€

+ taxes:

4585€ loan tax + 196€ solidarity payment + 285 chruch tax (only if you are in a church)

= 5065€


you take home:

32k-6552k-5065k

= 20,383€

and then we have to pay a lot more taxes for shopping and a huge amount more taxes for gasoline :(  but we can count the gasoline costs against the loan tax if we need it to get to work so it's a little bit better than it seems with the gasoline prices.


Damn, so they rape your check too...



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fillet said:
crissindahouse said:
Euphoria14 said:
crissindahouse said:
Euphoria14 said:

crissindahouse said:

thx man! i wonder why they don't control the online purchases better? it has to hurt the shops who don't sell online (and produce more jobs) doesn't it?

i know from here that retailers in the cities have problems to stay alive because of the online shops but the tax is the same for both. if i could get it over the internet tax free (ok you say you should pay tax then as well but nobody does^^) or would have to pay  tax in the shop the price difference has to be even greater!

but great that your tax rate is between 4-9% in most places in usa, we have 19% here for most products :( ok "only" 7% for groceries but for almost everything else 19%. it'S the most important tax for our gouvernment. more than 30% of the tax income comes from this.

i wonder how much would be the difference between the costs for a german or an us american with average income with all taxes included. tax on income, tax for gasoline (which is a huge difference between usa and europe and especially germany), and so on...

Just out of curiousity, how much does your income check get taxed? I know that here in New York, after medical, dental, social security, NY State Tax, Federal Tax, etc... I lose anywhere between 25-30% of my check. Then on top of that I have to pay 8.65% tax or so on just about every purchase I make...

It sucks here too, especially on Long Island where the cost of living is high.

hard to say. depends if you are single, married and both work or only one of both, if you have children, how much your income is and blabla^^

first 8k per year are free and people above that have to pay between 14-45 percent. and on top of that you have to pay 5.5% of the income tax as "solidarity" payment for eastern germany (old ddr) to get this area to the same standard western germany has. and then you have to pay a little bit if you are "officially" religious :)

 

but an example:

let's say you are single and earn 30k euro per year "net" (after payment for health insurance, pension insurance and so on), then you have to pay 31,5 percent income tax + 5.5% solidarity payment of the income tax amount.

if you earn 40k it's 36.1 percent and if you only earn 20k it's 27%.

 

if you are married and only one spouse is working and you have some children it can be much better for you.

Sounds confusing.

 

So, if you were to make 32k euro per year gross, what would be your take home pay for that year?

Here in New York if I were to make (Let's pick a random number shall we? ) ~$32,760/year gross, after paying for taxes, medical coverage and all else as a father of (1), you would bring home just ~$21,251.

depends if you are married and if your wife is working as well and then it depends how much you and she earn and which tax class you chose. in germany, if someone is earning a lot and the other one not so much you can chose 2 classes. the one who doesn't earn so much can go in the worst class to pay a lot percentual and the one who's earning a lot can chose a class where he has to pay not so much percentual^^  which is better than both paying the same percentual.

but let's say you are 35 and married, both earn the same (and you go both in the same tax class then because the other system only works with different income) and have one child:

if you earn 32k gross:

social payments:

3136€ pension fund + 480€ unemployment insurance + 312€ nursing care insurance + 2624€ health insurance

= 6552€

+ taxes:

4585€ loan tax + 196€ solidarity payment + 285 chruch tax (only if you are in a church)

= 5065€


you take home:

32k-6552-5065

= 20,383€

and then we have to pay a lot more taxes for shopping and a huge amount more taxes for gasoline :(  but we can count the gasoline costs against the loan tax if we need it to get to work so it's a little bit better than it seems with the gasoline prices.


Underlined isn't true and your breaking the law if you do it.

It's for businesses who are VAT registered only, no way in hell are you allowed to offset your fuel costs for travelling to work, lmao. If you're doing it, stop now because you'll be in a world of shit if you get caught.

wtf are you talking about? we even have a formular here from our government to put our kilometers in and the government will give us the money back then. lol stop talking crap if you have no clue what you are talking about...

breaking the law loool!!!

it's called "entfernungspauschale" and every employee can take this opportunity. ahh and most european countries have it only i believe uk and few others don't.

love people talking shit about something they have absolutely no clue about...

btw it's funny because it's in discussion atm because the gasoline prices rose a lot last months so many wish to get even more money back.

but just for you and your incompetence, here, it's the paragraph §9 subparagraph 4 in our tax law:

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/estg/__9.html

and if you are taslking about the "werkstorprinzip", this was only the case in 2007 and you could get the money for 2007 afterward in your tax decleration. our highest court said that it was unconstitutional.



fillet said:
Degausser said:
KylieDog said:



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Let us not forget that a $60 US PS3 game costs £40 in UK, yet a $40 VIta game in US costs £40 in UK also.  No 32GB cards for Europe either.


If you live in SCEE territories please ignore it and let this thing bomb, you are doing yourself a massive favour.


 Can you point me to that $40 vita game costing £40? Pretty sure no vita games cost £40, Golden Abyss is $50 in the USA and £35 in UK.

 But yeah, I didn't expect the UK PSN prices to cut retail - it's just not how it works here. In the USA I gather a $60 game costs $60 and stays that price for ages. The UK that doesn't happen - the real test is whether the PSN games stay these prices for long or quickly come down alongside the retail price cuts.

 It should be noted a number of the games you listed are cheaper then their RRP.

 UK seems to get games cheaper then everywhere (After they slash the price in half) imo so I've no idea how you're spinning this the opposite.

A really real test that has really been real for years and proven the opposite, really. Just check Microsoft's GOD for reference.

 The PSN store is starting to do it though... I think Dante's Inferno and Dead Space 2 were £16 with all their DLC bundled (£12 for Plus members). Darksiders is like £9.99 when it came to the store? The PS2 HD collections are typically cheaper then retail and the price in general is going more reasonable. Yeah retail is still cheaper currently, but I get the feeling we'll see Vita games start to really undercut it in the long run (Especially PS+ members :D). Might take a year or so though.

 Industry mentality is always to charge the highest amount if you're unsure what to charge - as you can always cut the price later. It's a far better outcome then charging less then your product is worth.