Picking your battles is one thing running from crucial ones is another, if both MS and Nintendo have tablet controllers then how is the PS4 going to look not having one, developers would be much more willing using tablet features with two consoles with such a feature while by default PS4 titles would then be missing features due to an interface issue, it'll be a case X3 and U versions can do what the PS4 games do and more. It would also look off to consumers that two platforms offer a tablet interface which can do traditional and new approaches while one is just your standard console.

It's not what it could offer Sony to survive it's making sure your competitors don't pull ahead of you with such ideas, offering it as an add on later on while it's a standard feature with your competitors would only go the way of move. Porting games also won't be hard as all consoles will have an interface that still allows for traditional controls.

I want something iterative. Something that builds on the previous gen. I'm tired of gimmicky crap ala anything nintendo does and expensive addons ala stuff sony and microsoft have done this gen.

It's been either crazy expensive to keep up with all the features this gen or its been nonsense features that detract from core gaming we've loved from prior gens.

If MS do that then i think Sony is fucked. Im sure as hell buying a next box thats coming out this year! o.O

updated the OP!

i wasn't going to respond back to anybody until i did it, sorry

EDIT: PlayStation Home, PlayStation UnderGround and a few smaller things

As for running Samaritan the engine will require 10x the power of the 360

what exactly does that mean though? does it mean like everything all around?

the only thing i know about is Ram so if we were talking RAM it would need atleast 5.12 GB of ram to run the demo INCLUDING 10x the GPU and CPU?

i guess the PS4 having 6GB of RAM WOULD be good after all ;)

Sony will not get anywhere trying to take on Nintendo or Microsoft directly. A tablet would he foolish and a Kinect like EyeToy. Sony's best chance is to avoid a direct conflict by ensuring its platform is unique.

no, that would actually be a good move for Sony

Sony needs to have what the competitors have to make sure they dont get left behind in those areas

you seen the rumours about microsoft working on their own tablet to combat the Wii U tablet so they wont get left behind in that area right? lol

you see Nintendo going for the 3rd party support so they wont get left behind in that area right?

Sony will do the same thing

but this doesn't mean that they cant innovate while doing it :)

no nothing on ps3 compares to halo or gears.

in what way?

PLEASE tell me you are not talking about quality LMFAO

you obviously can't be talking about sales because you wouldn't have added gears being that Gran Turismo sold more than gears and will be right behind Halo 3 LTD

maybe you remotely have a point if you are talking about playing online..

honestly nothing on PS3 made me drop everything buy the console/game and play for hours

nothing on 360 made me drop everything, buy the console/game and play for hours so i dont get your point..

i think dual shock 4 will have a tablet with augmented reality features. i also think Sony will opt out of an HD or 3D tablet screen.

^^^ I will fucking destroy Sony if they do this..

EDIT: if the DualShock 4 itself is turned into a tablet

...

I'm confused

now i'm debating on how i should approach this comment

i didn't think of this as being a debate but you said it was

and i feel like you low-key tried to challenge me

well

I did not say the playstation 4 will be a failed platform. I said Sony cant afford another failed platform.

come on now

you said --> Irrespective of the amount sony invest in their next gen console...a failed console is stil a failed console. We cant look at playstation as a seperate entity from its parent company. Sony cant afford another failed platform.

but whatever..

Failed in this context will be relative to Sony's position during that time. If the console is making them bucket loads of money then success. And very seldom has a console manufacturer made significant profits while not being the leader of the industry. This is why i think sony cant afford to settle for anything other than 1st place.

the only thing that could possibly keep PS4 from 1st place is the Wii Us launching a year earlier

the Wii sold so well because of its $250 price(VASTLY cheaper than PS3) and it having a new gadget(Wii Mote) but slowed down later on that/this gen

the Wii U will have a new gadget(WII U Tablet) and most likely Nintendo will launch it at a low price of something like $300 or $400

PS4 at $400 with better graphics AND the same type of new gadget (PS Tablet) AND a Kinect rivalling PS Eye could overly do the job in my opinion

and we will see if Nintendo and Microsoft launch their new consoles at a profit and make bucket loads of money

If Nintendo and Microsoft launch at a profit then their consoles will be irrelevant this time around

Wii U will most likely be the weakest AND cheapest console out of the big 3 next gen but will be more powerful than PS3. PS3 at $250 is being sold at a loss so a HIGHER POWERED Wii U at $300 will no doubt be a loss. The Wii U has to have ATLEAST $100 worth more tech in it compared to PS3 so a Wii U at $350 would be a loss. now lets say they launch at $400 which could give them a profit. Think about a higher powered PS4 with the same new technology AT THE SAME PRICE!!!!!!!!

WII U WILL GET FUCKING OUTSOLD!! lol

AND IMO with your proposed strategy so far in OP (which is what this thread is about) i dont think that will get them there.

so you mean to tell me that a PS4 with the hardware to run the samaritan demo, a PlayStation Eye to to render Kinect irrelevant, a PlayStation Tablet to render the upcoming Wii U tablet irrelevant wont get them there?

are you serious!?

you do realise that if PS4 has this stuff, the competition wont have AYTHING the PS4 wont have besides their respective exclusives right?

You make some heavy assumptions. And i was just going off what you said in OP about what you feel is the most important aspects for ps4 to cover next gen. Your focus was on a core unit, that competes directly with wii u and kinect. Mine was something different all together. something preferably better.

i wouldn't say "most important"

i just put SOME things that i want to see with PS4

And please leave your bias out of the discussion otherwise i think il sit out of the debate.

..(sigh)..

and here we go with the "bias" claims

typical..

The kinects IS innovative to most of the masses, whether it actually is or isnt is irrelevent

???

and what is your point by saying this?

who said that Kinect wasn't innovative? and now that i think about it, how exactly is it innovative?

this makes no sense. If something is innovative then it is innovative, if it's not then it's not

there is no inbetween/"most of the masses" bullsh!t that you're trying to claim

and i if you are implying that i said Kinect is irrelevant, i did not say that Kinect was irrelevant. I said PS Eye will render Kinect irrelevant next gen. I was saying that Kinect will be irrelevant next gen because of the higher powered PS EYE. The Kinect sky rockets the 360s sales higher than its competitors in the holidays. Now when the next gen Kinect skyrockets 720s sales every holiday, PS4s Higher powered PS Eye will sky rocket its sales right along with it basically nullifying its holiday effect over its competitors.

RENDERING THE KINECT-EFFECT IRRELEVANT NEXT GEN

And im not sure how the Wii U isnt innovative? Its the first home console doing anything like that? Again whether that will be a success or not...who knows. But it sure as hell is innovative in the current console market space.

now please tell me who said that the Wii U is not innovative?

I said that Microsofts making its own Wii U tablet was not innovative being that you were implying that Nintendo and Microsoft was doing something new while Sony wasn't or that Sony was the only 1 not doing something new

SMGDH

-_-!

and to think that you tried to say thy MY comment was dissapointing

This is not even debatable imo.

..oh the irony..

That strategy you suggesting to compete with the likes of kinect and wii u is ridiculous i cant see how you cant see that.

ok, how exactly is it "ridiculous"?

are you serious!?

i am fucking flabber gasted right now O_o

how is the PS4s making sure not to lose any ground to Kinect and Wii U "ridiculous"?

i guess its okay when Wii U makes sure to not lose any ground to PS4/720 next gen by gathering 3rd party support though right?

and its okay for microsofts making sure not to lose any ground to Wii U by making its own Tablet isnt "ridiculous" aswell right?

like are you even serious right now? like seriously

 At this point im wondering if you just saying things to make the debate go on?

hmm..

this is funny because im pretty much thinking the same thing about you right about now

You used the move as a positive indicator of sony competing with the wii? are you for real?

you god damned right im for real!

do you remember back in 2010 when Move launched and here on the chartz only move pushed ps3s sales up by like 10k average but later found out that the PS3 had been selling over the 200k mark like the past 6 weeks after Moves launch? i remember it selling on average like 70-80k WW higher than it would've without the move

and arn't we seeing wii games coming to Ps3 now because of Move? We dont see too many because most of wii games are "shovelware"

now when PS4 is released, any competitor with a motion controller wont be able to effect Sony in any way because that future must-have motion game can easily be brought to PS4.

The move, in terms of popularity was a complete failure. And while we on this topic, releasing peripherals to compete with components that come standard in other consoles is risky and almost never works! Developers only release games on platforms that actual have a fanbase. Sure sony can release a tablet controller, but if NOBODY bought it then WTF.

how exactly was Move a "complete failure"? if im not mistaken the move sold like 8 million right? the Move basically has no games and it STILL sold 8 million so i dont know what you're talking about

The only reason you are calling the Move a complete failure is because you are comparing it to the Kinect right?

and i guess we should all forget the fact that Kinect was actually well advertised

HUNDRED$ OF MILLION$ advertised actually

and people will buy a PS Tablet

i thought nobody would buy the Move and Kinect controller but hey, look at the sales ;)

hmm idk there is something about you that is..... never mind..

Im sorry but this is one point where you completely off the mark.

no, that would be you ;)

Again this is not about who copied who, but rather the feasibility of releasing peripherals to compete with standard components (that come with all sku's). Its not feasible. You've said nothing to counter that argument.

its just that you simply choose to ignore it ;)

ive said it multiple times

and i didn't know that the Kinect came with every 360 SKU LMFAO!

SMH

First off that price you got there is way to low. The ps3 is stil selling at about an average price of close to $300! And yet somehow sony can release crazy new hardware, a new ps eye and a tablet controller for just $499??!?? In what world.

Secondly, ive already stated the limitations of peripherals.

let me put this in an easy way for you to understand

in japan they have like 3 different PS3's at different prices like the black, white and silver consoles

lets say you have a the regular $400 PS4 and the $500 PS4

there can be 1 specific $500 PS4 that comes bundled with a High Powered PS Eye and another $500 PS4 that comes bundled with a PS Tablet controller

and Move can just be sold regularly since its the "complete failure" :)

I dont feel you answered this above. Or atleast i dont think youve countered my points on the matter.

The effect move had on ps3 console sales was very limited imo.

yes, i did answer them

the Move did its job

what is it exactly that you expect to see from Move? like do you expect it to sell the exact same as the Kinect or something? just because it doesn't sell THE EXACT SAME as Kinect doesnt mean it's a "complete failure"?

you do know that Move is a motion "controller" and Kinect is basically a "Video camera" right? you do know that that Moves main purpose was to combat the Wii Mote?

next gens high powered PS Eye"camera" vs Kinect 2 "camera" will be more of a good comparison when they are here

Kinect is already a smash hit. The next gen PS Eye is not....yet.

yep..

True you didnt say that, but you placed no emphasis on it at all. And in terms of your ideas on what sony should and shouldnt do it leaves no room for doing something additional. Unless you suggesting ANOTHER peripheral device. In which case my head just exploded.

there will not be another peripheral because there is really nothing left

the Tablet was the last thing that could be used really

Im focusing on the fact that they should blow the competition out the water, screw competing.

^^ and just how exactly would they Sony do this if you dont mind me asking?

the only company who will be blowing anybody out of the water is Nintendo and the competition would be smart to combat what Nintendo is preparing to blow them out of the water with

and of course YOU would be the one who would just let the competition take advantage being that you think being competitive to Kinect and the Wii U Tablet is "ridiculous"

and just what magical product do you think Sony should use that could be fun gaming wise that is new while not being a motion controller, a camera or a tablet?

please tell me what you have in mind

To be honest though enditall727 i dont feel you've read though my replies thoroughly, because if you did you would'nt have repeated most of what you already said. Which is kinda dissapointing as i felt we were having a genuinely good debate up until this reply.

uh yea, maybe you should re-read that comment and think about what was REALLY dissapointing ;)

EDIT: big ass wall of text! i dont like making these so i'm not doing it again..

I also feel that some of the suggestions given in this thread is the exact kinda thinking that will end sony

like what? the only thing i suggested that would be expensive is the 6 GB of Ram

and if you are talking about the $100 loss thing, i said that it should be the MAX they go if they decide to sell PS4 at a loss. At the end of the day everybody should know that Sony is most likely going  to sell the PS4 at a loss

and a $100 loss today could be a $50 loss next year BEFORE PS4 is released and thats IF they decide to build a $500 console and sell it at $400

@Enditall725 I give up...by debate i didnt mean some sort of argument where someone wins. I simply meant a healthy discussion. But anyways im out, you constantly misread just about everything i write and you take just about every point i make out of context.

Peace :)