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Abu Dhabi - FORMULA 1 2015

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NiKKoM said:

Refueling back is great... no more heavy cars at the start... no more big fuel tanks.. lighter,  thighter, faster cars.. and another chance to see a Verstappen on fire

 

We've seen a lot of fights at the start the last years, so what's the problem?

What we'll get is the comeback of "you have 1 lap more of fuel, so stay behind doing nothing until he pits, then do a fast lap and voila. Don't dare to entertain the people watching the race with a fight on track." radio messages.



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Player2 said:
NiKKoM said:

Refueling back is great... no more heavy cars at the start... no more big fuel tanks.. lighter,  thighter, faster cars.. and another chance to see a Verstappen on fire

 

We've seen a lot of fights at the start the last years, so what's the problem?

What we'll get is the comeback of "you have 1 lap more of fuel, so stay behind doing nothing until he pits, then do a fast lap and voila. Don't dare to entertain the people watching the race with a fight on track." radio messages.


I like that the cars are at maximum pace all the time.. Not these 1:40 a lap at the beginning and 1:30 at the end.. Overtaking is already ruined by the artifical thing called DRS.. Overtaking takes no skill and has nothing to do with refueling..  There was less overtaking back then cause it failed far more times then nowadays. Some drivers back then could make their car wide and almost impossible to overtake which was a skill



 

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1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel... Want to go ricciardo but Renault this season has disappointed me bitterly.

Dnf: Stevens



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  Brave going for Nico this time ironman,i'll stick to the qualy myself

what happened to williams,nowhere beaten by a mclaren



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NiKKoM said:
Player2 said:
NiKKoM said:

Refueling back is great... no more heavy cars at the start... no more big fuel tanks.. lighter,  thighter, faster cars.. and another chance to see a Verstappen on fire

 

We've seen a lot of fights at the start the last years, so what's the problem?

What we'll get is the comeback of "you have 1 lap more of fuel, so stay behind doing nothing until he pits, then do a fast lap and voila. Don't dare to entertain the people watching the race with a fight on track." radio messages.


I like that the cars are at maximum pace all the time.. Not these 1:40 a lap at the beginning and 1:30 at the end.. Overtaking is already ruined by the artifical thing called DRS.. Overtaking takes no skill and has nothing to do with refueling..  There was less overtaking back then cause it failed far more times then nowadays. Some drivers back then could make their car wide and almost impossible to overtake which was a skill

I have no problem with lap times getting faster as the race goes.

DRS is bad because it gives an unfair advantage to the following car and makes things too easy, but we should not forget that it's a bandaid to a underlying problem the FIA created in the 90's. In the name of safety they began to ban things left and right and we ended with cars overly reliant in downforce that become unstable when not running in clean air. This is why overtaking became hard in first place.

Refueling has nothing to do with overtaking... directly. With refueling if the second car has more fuel than the first it can wait until the first pits, then do a fast lap and overtake it. That's because used tires + low fuel is way faster than new tires + high fuel. This is a very low risk move.

Right now this strategy don't work because both cars will always have similar fuel so the car that pits first will be faster until the second does the same due to its newer tires. In order to overtake a car in the pits you have to stop earlier which isn't as risk-free as the previous strategy, because you may end up in traffic due to less laps to build a lead with slower cars or have tire problems at the end of the stint. In this scenario overtaking in the track is a way better plan than in the previous one and therefore encouraged.



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I think refueling is a trade-off. On one hand, it makes race strategy more interesting, since it opens up far for pit stop options. We'll also see a wider gap in car speeds leading to more overtaking, based on who has a full fuel load or not.

On the other hand, we'll lose those blisteringly fast 2-second stops, and most of the overtaking could happen in the pits, rather than on the track.

Probably just have to see how it goes. I'm mostly a fan of endurance racing (the WEC, Le Mans, etc) where pit stops and fuel strategy are just as important as having a fast car. I think it makes the races much more interesting, since you have to consider how all the different strategies line up by races' end.



"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

-Samuel Clemens

1st. Hamilton
2nd. Rosberg
3rd. Vettel

DNF. Massa



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Not much overtaking happens at Monaco, so it's probably safe to assume that qualifying positions will be very similar to the final result, except for a few cars meeting up with the Armco.

My prediction:

1st: Hamilton
2nd: Rosberg
3rd: Vettel

DNF: Maldonado



"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel

DNF: Kvyat



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 So the pit guys will be relieved a bit if they can get 10 seconds to change the tyres unless they get set on fire,the tyres will be important too i think they were saying they will change something there, all in all it gives teams extra choices which can go wrong aswell as right and i think most people and especially the drivers would prefer the cars to be going as fast as they can for the majority of a race



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