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like some others said, Sony doesn't need to stop producing titles, but advertise them better, just do what MS does: shove it down our throats until we except it :p



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Better yet, get the eff out of the gaming industry altogether with your lol $2.8 billion loss for the 2011 3rd quarter. No one is buying Uncharted compared to those who are buying Grand Theft Auto, Nintendo 1st Party franchises, Halo, and Activision-Blizzard games. Seriously Sony, the writing is on the wall. You are done. Your television business is a failure, the PS3 making 2nd place this gen will be a pyrrhic victory, and your music...LOL.

Anyone want to take bets on when Sony will enter bankruptcy? How many more $2.8 billion 3rd quarter losses can Sony endure?



Jay520 said:
Jexy said:


I think it's dead.  My good friend is a HUGE socom fan, but he hasn't liked any of the ones on the PS3.  Hates them actually.  And checking the reviews, neither have many others.  Socom 4 with a 6.9 avg (terrible for a game), Confrontation with a 6.3 avg... and one barely above a million, and the other well under... that's the sign of a series dying.  I'm sure they lost money on both of them, what with everything that goes into a game like that.  But it's a classic case of what I was saying before about budget cuts.  I don't know if that's what happened to the Socom series... but it sure seems like it.  Like production $ or time was cut during the making of them but they just crapped them out anyway. 

If Sony were smart, they would cut it off instead of throwing more money at it.  I mean shoot, they are supposedly selling the PS3 at a small profit now and their division STILL lost that much?  I gotta think a lot of that is for software, not just hardware like the PSP and PS3 etc


It ain't dead, just stupid developers making stupid decisions. If the developers stuck to the classic Socom core and made a good game, it would be successful.

They've lost their fan base for Socom.  It isn't coming back anytime soon when you crap out 2 bad games in a row over the span of what, 5 years?  Not to mention that many of the Socom fans haven't even played these two newer ones in longer than that.  The sales show the truth.  Like someone said, Sony can't listen to its hardcore fans on gaming websites like they have been.  They need to start making intelligent BUSINESS decisions or they won't be around for much longer to make ANY games, good or bad.  Think about it, the Socom developers made mistakes and put out crappy games that ruined the franchise.  My friend got a PS3 to play the new Socoms on.  He won't be getting a PS4 and making the same mistake.   If anything, he would get a PS4 for whatever library it happens to have, or features... but not because of Socom anymore.  That ship has sailed.  And judging by the sales, it has for most of its fans.



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arcane_chaos said:
like some others said, Sony doesn't need to stop producing titles, but advertise them better, just do what MS does: shove it down our throats until we except it :p


They don't have the budget to do that.  They aren't exactly making any money as it is.  They are still bleeding red.



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Jexy said:
arcane_chaos said:
like some others said, Sony doesn't need to stop producing titles, but advertise them better, just do what MS does: shove it down our throats until we except it :p


They don't have the budget to do that.  They aren't exactly making any money as it is.  They are still bleeding red.


the #1 rule if business: Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money!



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arcane_chaos said:
Jexy said:
arcane_chaos said:
like some others said, Sony doesn't need to stop producing titles, but advertise them better, just do what MS does: shove it down our throats until we except it :p


They don't have the budget to do that.  They aren't exactly making any money as it is.  They are still bleeding red.


the #1 rule if business: Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money!

They aren't the Yankees with a guaranteed cash flow.  They've lost 85% of their value in just a decade.  They don't have money to spend.  When you're drowning that fast, you don't strap cinderblocks to your feet and hope that one of them has a rocket on it.  You cut your losses in some areas and try to float to at least the top of the water.  Don't even think about soaring in the sky like Microsoft is or Apple.  That will get you in trouble and you'll just sink faster.



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Jexy said:
reviniente said:

'It’s easy to say, “Yeah, let’s make three games a year.” But game development is dynamic. You cannot plan to do that. You already have to have a certain number of games in the pipeline hoping they hit in a certain year. We love working on new IPs. It’s really hard to predict when these games get finished.'

[sigh] They really have no idea what they're doing.

 


No they don't.  And that's the problem.  Sony has the ability to make great games, but is run so poorly as a business, they don't have the right people to do so.

Think about it.  This is a company that has lost 85% of its value in just a decade.  Just think about that for a minute.  That's insane.  It happens, sure, but never without consequence.  And also keep in mind its gaming division in general has been right there every year with steep losses.  Sometimes worse than the rest of Sony.  A company can only keep generating the same success with anything if they keep on going down.

Picture 85% of your value going down.  Turn that into regular $ and gaming terms.  That could mean that 85% of your gaming budget has gone down too.  So when before, you could have been rolling in cash, having little competition, and spending lots of ad money on everything, as well as putting out quality products... all of a sudden, now, you can't do that.  But still try to.  It causes inferior products (Some AAA titles not being as good as they should have been, or just disappointments altogether), poor selling games that just weren't marketed enough, as well as going from the big kid on the block to the smallest kid on the block, and in serious debt.  

They should stop making games like the disappointing socom series, clearly should and probably will abandon the awful selling resistance series (can't imagine they made any money on it), and focus on titles that have been successful, or could be if they spent more time on it. 

This makes me wonder how many times budgets have been cut on games in development that end up being disappointing for Sony.   It's like with Superman IV: The Quest for Peace... that movie was supposed to be Superman vs. Bizarro Superman... instead what we got was a film that is so terribly bad, it's laughable (check it out for those who haven't seen it, but only do it with friends so you can laugh at the crappy plot, editing, directing, acting, everything).  It's budget got cut to a quarter of what it was supposed to be, and ended up with a director who never even heard of Superman before (didn't know that was possible).

Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it. The frightening thing is, you've got this Yoshida character going on record saying that they pretty much have no control over their output. Who the hell's in charge then?



reviniente said:
Jexy said:


No they don't.  And that's the problem.  Sony has the ability to make great games, but is run so poorly as a business, they don't have the right people to do so.

Think about it.  This is a company that has lost 85% of its value in just a decade.  Just think about that for a minute.  That's insane.  It happens, sure, but never without consequence.  And also keep in mind its gaming division in general has been right there every year with steep losses.  Sometimes worse than the rest of Sony.  A company can only keep generating the same success with anything if they keep on going down.

Picture 85% of your value going down.  Turn that into regular $ and gaming terms.  That could mean that 85% of your gaming budget has gone down too.  So when before, you could have been rolling in cash, having little competition, and spending lots of ad money on everything, as well as putting out quality products... all of a sudden, now, you can't do that.  But still try to.  It causes inferior products (Some AAA titles not being as good as they should have been, or just disappointments altogether), poor selling games that just weren't marketed enough, as well as going from the big kid on the block to the smallest kid on the block, and in serious debt.  

They should stop making games like the disappointing socom series, clearly should and probably will abandon the awful selling resistance series (can't imagine they made any money on it), and focus on titles that have been successful, or could be if they spent more time on it. 

This makes me wonder how many times budgets have been cut on games in development that end up being disappointing for Sony.   It's like with Superman IV: The Quest for Peace... that movie was supposed to be Superman vs. Bizarro Superman... instead what we got was a film that is so terribly bad, it's laughable (check it out for those who haven't seen it, but only do it with friends so you can laugh at the crappy plot, editing, directing, acting, everything).  It's budget got cut to a quarter of what it was supposed to be, and ended up with a director who never even heard of Superman before (didn't know that was possible).

Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it. The frightening thing is, you've got this Yoshida character going on record saying that they pretty much have no control over their output. Who the hell's in charge then?

Gremlins?  It isn't just their gaming division either.  It's everything.  As a whole, they just don't know how to run a business anymore.  At some point in time, they were dominant in all of their fields... they had the walkman, they had the new tvs, they had the ps2, they took over big name movie companies, they had positive PR... and it's all fallen apart under them.  I don't know how overall leadership could fail them that poorly.  I'm sure that's a topic you could teach an entire course on at a university.  The only part of them that has really gone downhill for everyone, not just them, is the music industry as a whole.  Everything else though, other companies are making money in, and lots of it.  Just looking at their film history, they tend to have bigger budgets than most studios, yet earn less per film.  And outside of the Spider-man trilogy, it isn't terribly impressive.



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Rainbow Yoshi said:
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is selling considerably well and was only released 3 months ago. Microsoft rely on the same old franchises which boosts their profits as they do not take the plunge of seeing through a new franchise. Even Nintendo try to experiment with new franchises.

Microsoft in conjunction with Epic developed Gears of War which is just a year older than the Sony/Naughtydog developed Uncharted franchise while being milked for titles less often than the Uncharted series with 3 gears games vs. 4 uncharted.

Gears was a new and untested franchise which Microsoft in conjunction with Epic took a plunge on and succeeded.

Both Sony and Microsoft took a chance with a third person shooter series during pretty much the same time period. Why don't you accuse Sony of the practice of relying on the same old franchise when they do it to a greater degree than Microsoft?

Also, let's not forget Sony's big exclusive so far this year is a now ancient PS1 series, Twisted Metal.

Microsoft is not looking much better this year with Halo 4 (like the 8th game in series now?) but at least they also have Witcher 2 coming.



Killiana1a said:
Better yet, get the eff out of the gaming industry altogether with your lol $2.8 billion loss for the 2011 3rd quarter. No one is buying Uncharted compared to those who are buying Grand Theft Auto, Nintendo 1st Party franchises, Halo, and Activision-Blizzard games. Seriously Sony, the writing is on the wall. You are done. Your television business is a failure, the PS3 making 2nd place this gen will be a pyrrhic victory, and your music...LOL.

Anyone want to take bets on when Sony will enter bankruptcy? How many more $2.8 billion 3rd quarter losses can Sony endure?

They have a life insurance business that seems to be doing fine. Their work on a new enzime that turns glucose into electricity looks promising, too.