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umegames said:
This is a good thing i think. buying 2nd games is not a right, its a privlage which is actually an exploit of the EULA.

nobody expects to be able to trade or buy used microsoft office 2007 or outdated pc software, so why does gaming deserve it, because we've been doing it for decades? doesn't make it right.

boo-hoo 2nd hand retailers will have to make less money now compared to the millions they make annually.
boo-hoo people who dropped $200 + on a console to play games will have to spend a little more on the games so the devs and publisher get their due money
BOO-HOO pirating wont be an option on the nextbox...

Bolded: It doesn't have to be outdated pre-owned softwares. If you quickly get bored of a entirely new shitty game, why not be able to sell it to a friend who'd enjoy it instead of letting it become a dust collector?

Underlined: We've been selling cars second hand for centuries, but that doesn't make it right!?

Italics: Is pirating an option for Xbox 360? Even if people do pirate, it's extremely few who does.



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No used games feature would signal the end of the Xbox brand.

MS wont do this. Im absolutely certain that they wont.



Yay!!!

Anyone have an email for this douche? I need to send him a piece of my mind.



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Mr Khan said:
Anyone have an email for this douche? I need to send him a piece of my mind.


Might want to search for his name he might have a linked account (or whatever it is called). I looked on the developer's website and seen something funny.

 

http://www.volition-inc.com/Contact/

It from the above link, it's the first point of the please note section.

 

"We don't sell games ourselves, including Freespace games. If you're looking for an old game of ours, try bargain bins, fan forums, or ebay."

Just found it a little humorous. Considering that this would eliminate the possiblity of getting old game (used).



thekitchensink said:

A used game has just as much potential for degradation as a car.  The disc will be more worn-out than a new copy and may have scratches, it may not have the original case or instruction manual, or oftentimes someone has written things like their name all over the game.  Heck, I bought a 'used game' online once and the person just sent me the case.  When you buy a used game, just as with a used car, you are most likely getting a slightly degraded version.

Besides, that wasn't even my main argument.  The point is, if I go to a store and buy something, it belongs to me and I can do whatever the hell I want with it--including sell it.  Like I said, you never saw developers complaining about used sales until they had a means of controlling them.


Really? When is the last time you bought a used game that cost you thousands of dollars in repairs? My guess is you have never bought any used products except games. 

Any shop that buys and sells used games will check the disc before hand. If it has scratches they will ensure it works properly. If you buy it and it doesn't work then you can take it back for a full refund. If the game has minor scratches but still works then it's fine. The CD has no athestic value. Likewise some new games can have small scratches but still sell at full price. So your disc argument makes no sense. 

If a used game doesn't have the case or manual then don't buy it or demand a discount. There are PLENTY of copies of used games in perfect condition. Likewise these days many stores that sell games new will remove the manual and insert it back in. The fact that you had to change the subject from the game itself to the casing for it shows how flimsy your argument is. The GAME is identical. It is also incredibly easy to find an entire identical product, I have sold used games that the store actually asked me if I had ever even opened them as they were in such good condition. 

The fact you can buy digital copies (which many people do) that don't include any of the things you are talking about at all also shows how flimsy your argument is. If you buy a used copy of Halo reach and I buy it on Games on Demand the product is IDENTICAL.

Yes you can do whatever the hell you want with it. But guess what? So can the company, if they don't want it to work used then that is fine. They just sell you a license for the product to work on one machine. That is their right. If you don't like it then don't buy the product. 

A person who buys a game used is only the customer of the store they bought it from. They have NO interaction at all with the game companies and so they cannot take issue with the game companies. If they have an issue then you must take it up with the store you bought it from.



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Zim said:
thekitchensink said:

A used game has just as much potential for degradation as a car.  The disc will be more worn-out than a new copy and may have scratches, it may not have the original case or instruction manual, or oftentimes someone has written things like their name all over the game.  Heck, I bought a 'used game' online once and the person just sent me the case.  When you buy a used game, just as with a used car, you are most likely getting a slightly degraded version.

Besides, that wasn't even my main argument.  The point is, if I go to a store and buy something, it belongs to me and I can do whatever the hell I want with it--including sell it.  Like I said, you never saw developers complaining about used sales until they had a means of controlling them.


Really? When is the last time you bought a used game that cost you thousands of dollars in repairs? My guess is you have never bought any used products except games. 

Any shop that buys and sells used games will check the disc before hand. If it has scratches they will ensure it works properly. If you buy it and it doesn't work then you can take it back for a full refund. If the game has minor scratches but still works then it's fine. The CD has no athestic value. Likewise some new games can have small scratches but still sell at full price. So your disc argument makes no sense. 

If a used game doesn't have the case or manual then don't buy it or demand a discount. There are PLENTY of copies of used games in perfect condition. Likewise these days many stores that sell games new will remove the manual and insert it back in. The fact that you had to change the subject from the game itself to the casing for it shows how flimsy your argument is. The GAME is identical. It is also incredibly easy to find an entire identical product, I have sold used games that the store actually asked me if I had ever even opened them as they were in such good condition. 

The fact you can buy digital copies (which many people do) that don't include any of the things you are talking about at all also shows how flimsy your argument is. If you buy a used copy of Halo reach and I buy it on Games on Demand the product is IDENTICAL.

Yes you can do whatever the hell you want with it. But guess what? So can the company, if they don't want it to work used then that is fine. They just sell you a license for the product to work on one machine. That is their right. If you don't like it then don't buy the product. 

A person who buys a game used is only the customer of the store they bought it from. They have NO interaction at all with the game companies and so they cannot take issue with the game companies. If they have an issue then you must take it up with the store you bought it from.

You know there are places where you can buy used games from the gamers directly over the internet, not via a shop.

Therefore rendering all your flimsy arguments irrelevant 



Hello. I know I'm not a regular like most (all?) of you and because I have very little experience posting on this site (not to mention a rediculously-low Point score), I don't know who will see and read this, and I have no idea who will care.
But regardless, here's what I think about this topic:
Regardless of who does it first, a major game company taking such a stance against used games (and / or possibly piracy)... Is a good thing. Here's why. If (when?) it fails, companies will realize that that's not the way to go, and that they should simply focus on the new medium of Digital Download delivery as it's becoming increasingly popular. It is the future, no matter how many of you want to fight it. Games on CD's, DVD's, Blurays, etc. are just using those other mediums for delivery because people are familiar with them. Well, people are familiar with Digital Downloads too now, so more people are buying their games digitally via Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, WiiWare, etc. And that seems like the way to go (the best medium so far [disregarding OnLive's streaming, which, I'm sure next-gen will have something similar on at least one major console]). I don't know, this is just my opinion.
Oh, and also... Seriously? Comparing videogames to cars, etc.? Some people play a game for about a week (and in some cases less than that) and then sell it to a game store to get the most money back as possible (the newer the better). Yes, some people won't sell their game for a year or more but I think most people sell them much sooner. Games depreciate in value a lot quicker within a one or two year period A LOT FASTER THAN many, if not most other things, including automobiles. I'm not going to go into too much detail on this so I'll just stop there. Anyway, DD's are the best medium for games right now (just look at the highest-selling games-on-demand, for example; they're relatively-new (less than 18 months old) and some are still "full-price" ($60).
The point is, change the medium, and theoretically we won't have to deal with the "used games problem" or have pointless debates about it. Well, thank you for reading, if there is anyone that does. Peace.



The Elder Scrolls > The Legend of Zelda > Halo > Metroid > everything else

Understand that this is MY opinion and (very much) does not reflect the majority of gamers.

Series' I have yet to really sink my teeth into (alphabetically):

Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, (modern) Mario's, MegaMan, Metal Gear Solid...

Logic, reasoning, and spell-check are your friends. Thank you.

i have the feeling you are one of the developers so i will tell you that:

i don't care if it's something different to automobiles. i buy a game so i want to have the right to sell what i bought. since when can some guy like you say me what i have to do with my bought product?

i don't even buy used games but i can understand many of my friends doing it sometimes. some people sell their console with their used games to purchase the next gen. if they can't do it they can't buy the next gen.

without the used market many gamestop shops and so on will die. without these shops there isn't the presence of gaming anymore in our shopping malls which could mean that the console sales will shrink.

i really wonder what guys like you think developers lose because of the used market. most people who buy used games wouldn't buy those games new. so you lose exactly 0 dollar with that. just a few percent of gamers buy used games instead of new ones. many by used games but not instead of buying it new. it's not like 90% of gamers wait to get the game few weeks after release on gamestop for less money so they don't buy the games new. they buy the used games trading their other used games and put few dollar extra to that. do yo really think all thes people would buy the games new otherwise? most of them would not even have a console then.

some of my friends sell used games to buy a new ones. if they can't sell them anymore they won't buy the new ones because they don't have the money anymore for that and the people who buy the used games from my friends wouldn't buy a new one as well.

i belive the used market helped the gaming industry instead of destroying it. or mabye not helping but it doesnt hurt the industry.

some people don't want to buy a game. for example i didn't buy arkham asylum. that's my last game i bought used. i loved the game so i bought arkham city new then. if i wouldn't have played th fisrt game used i wouldn't have bought the other one new. that means the developers sold one game to me instead of no game.

so more people buy used games so more people can buy dlc's. if you sell 10 million games new wihout used market or if you sell 8 million games +x-million who buy the game used (and would never buy it new) and can be potential customers for the game dlc and , like i said with my case, will maybe buy the successor of that game new because the liked the used game so much and they would never have played it without used mrket so they would never buy the successor.

there are hundreds of points i could enumerate gaming developers never think about.



Imagine what the economy would be like/cost if you could only buy things new!

I got a good cheap used car for 4k, but the lowest entry cost in the US for a far I believe is around 12k!

How about a brand new house? lol. Don't even want to go there.

Poor people can only afford used clothes, and Levis, Old Navy, etc. don't see a dime from used sales either.

Those are just small examples. My wife buys used books all the time to. It's the developer/publishers fault 99% of the time because they think the $60 price tag is justified because their game ís äwesome. Well Saints Row 3 is a damn good game, but if it was cheaper then Skyrim at release I might have bought it first. Fact is when all games are $60 you usually stick with the big guns (Call of Duty, Skyrim for last holiday season) and wait for sales on the other games.



It's just that simple.