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Do you think fate exists?

Yes 8 17.39%
 
No 16 34.78%
 
It's very likely 2 4.35%
 
It's not likely 10 21.74%
 
I have no idea 3 6.52%
 
See results 7 15.22%
 
Total:46

Here an oversimplified example: Rewind time to 1 Billion years ago. Start again. A Star is about to explode the quantum effects inside the star make it a tiny amount of time slower explode then the first time around lets say 1/1000000 second. The blast reaches a certain rock 10 lightyears away 1/1000000 second later then the first time. The rock has now got a sllghtly different push it flies through space for 935 Million years and it ends up 2 meter away from the last time it hits another rock at a slightly different angle this rock is hurled inside the star its orbiting 1 lightyear away. Through the slightly different angle and the 100000 year journey to its sun its off by several kilometers. Just enough to get a slightly different push from a gas giant it nears to a small planet but misses it slightly.

Dinosaurs alive no Humanity. Just because a Billion years ago some subatomic particles decided to reach the critical energy 1/1000000 second later.

And those are just a few factors in reality they are trillions and they cant play out exactly the same because subatomic particles really are unpredictable not just because of our theories they actually do it and we can watch them acting out.

Sure maybe they are predictable but it doesnt look that way.This was a weak example btw but since quantum theory seems to affect even things like atoms and we change one atom trajectory 13 Billion years ago who knows how the world would look like today.

Chaos theory alone isnt enough but combined with quantum theory the world becomes unpredictable even if you know all the positions of every atom at a certain point in time.

Still there is a chance we might be wrong and you cant predict subatomic particles aslong as you are in the same universe. Maybe there are hidden properties we can only experience from a different dimension like M Theory says



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It's weird; I was just talking to my coworker a couple of weeks ago about the Global Consciousness Project, (as well as the God Helmet) and this topic came up.



Netyaroze said:
Here an oversimplified example: Rewind time to 1 Billion years ago. Start again. A Star is about to explode the quantum effects inside the star make it a tiny amount of time slower explode then the first time around lets say 1/1000000 second. The blast reaches a certain rock 10 lightyears away 1/1000000 second later then the first time. The rock has now got a sllghtly different push it flies through space for 935 Million years and it ends up 2 meter away from the last time it hits another rock at a slightly different angle this rock is hurled inside the star its orbiting 1 lightyear away. Through the slightly different angle and the 100000 year journey to its sun its off by several kilometers. Just enough to get a slightly different push from a gas giant it nears to a small planet but misses it slightly.

Dinosaurs alive no Humanity. Just because a Billion years ago some subatomic particles decided to reach the critical energy 1/1000000 second later.

And those are just a few factors in reality they are trillions and they cant play out exactly the same because subatomic particles really are unpredictable not just because of our theories they actually do it and we can watch them acting out.

Sure maybe they are predictable but it doesnt look that way.This was a weak example btw but since quantum theory seems to affect even things like atoms and we change one atom trajectory 13 Billion years ago who knows how the world would look like today.

Chaos theory alone isnt enough but combined with quantum theory the world becomes unpredictable even if you know all the positions of every atom at a certain point in time.

Still there is a chance we might be wrong and you cant predict subatomic particles aslong as you are in the same universe. Maybe there are hidden properties we can only experience from a different dimension like M Theory says

Yeah, then I guess there's no point for me to argue with you since we both understand that anyone of us can be right or wrong. My belief is though that the quantum randomness isn't random/doesn't exist and that people who makes studies around the subject just fails to see what makes the result different each time.

 

@Everyone else:  Very interesting discussions!



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Netyaroze said:
Here an oversimplified example: Rewind time to 1 Billion years ago. Start again. A Star is about to explode the quantum effects inside the star make it a tiny amount of time slower explode then the first time around lets say 1/1000000 second. The blast reaches a certain rock 10 lightyears away 1/1000000 second later then the first time. The rock has now got a sllghtly different push it flies through space for 935 Million years and it ends up 2 meter away from the last time it hits another rock at a slightly different angle this rock is hurled inside the star its orbiting 1 lightyear away. Through the slightly different angle and the 100000 year journey to its sun its off by several kilometers. Just enough to get a slightly different push from a gas giant it nears to a small planet but misses it slightly.

Dinosaurs alive no Humanity. Just because a Billion years ago some subatomic particles decided to reach the critical energy 1/1000000 second later.

And those are just a few factors in reality they are trillions and they cant play out exactly the same because subatomic particles really are unpredictable not just because of our theories they actually do it and we can watch them acting out.

Sure maybe they are predictable but it doesnt look that way.This was a weak example btw but since quantum theory seems to affect even things like atoms and we change one atom trajectory 13 Billion years ago who knows how the world would look like today.

Chaos theory alone isnt enough but combined with quantum theory the world becomes unpredictable even if you know all the positions of every atom at a certain point in time.

Still there is a chance we might be wrong and you cant predict subatomic particles aslong as you are in the same universe. Maybe there are hidden properties we can only experience from a different dimension like M Theory says

Yeah, then I guess there's no point for me to argue with you since we both understand that anyone of us can be right or wrong. My belief is though that the quantum randomness isn't random/doesn't exist and that people who makes studies around the subject just fails to see what makes the result different each time.

 

@Everyone else:  Very interesting discussions!


Totally agree.  If there was truely randomness on the micro scale , it would propogate to randomness on the macro scale, not to order on the macro scale.



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fate does not exist but luck exists

we affect our fate as much as luck does



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
fate does not exist but luck exists

we affect our fate as much as luck does

That's actually an uneducated opinion. You don't have to be a determinist to question the existence of luck.

 

luck = random

random = happens for a reson

reson = happened for a reason

etc, etc untill the very beginning of time. Every single event post big bang is a result of another event, and events that are to come are determined by current events. Thus, the future must be determined (unless the quantum theories turn out to be true, which I highly doubt).