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man-bear-pig said:
italo244 said:
1.25 each camera? dafuq


I failed, i know. 1.75, i meant



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well I didn't see that coming..if this is at least remotely true..then forget about making a huge profit or anything..worst case scenario Sony could be breaking even or losing very small amount of money on a unit sold and it will only get better for them as time goes..great if true



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Tridrakious said:
Well this would show Sony doesn't need to cut the price. Why cut the price when you are profiting on each unit sold. Sony can not....can not be that stupid.

If they are making profit, use that profit to market the system and MAKE MORE GAMES. I have no problem spending $250 for the WIFI only model right now.


Umm... Nintendo did cut the price despite selling on profit lol. You're missing the obvious.



Retailers usually get about $5.00 from each system, the real mark-up is on the games. I tried to start a game shop a few years back and I really don't think things have changed that much on the retail end.



Shinobi-san said:
thekitchensink said:
This may be true, but they are still losing money. It still costs them money to ship it, and the $250 is how much customers are charged--the store pays Sony less than that.

Plus, if Nintendo's taking a loss at $170 on the 3DS, Sony are definitely taking one for the Vita.


You can't really claim that with a 100% certainty though...sony have also said themselves that they do not plan on selling the vita at a loss. However the more latest comments suggests that they are selling it a loss but only slightly for the wifi model at least. I dont see them selling the 3g model at a loss though.

Also, as far as i know the 3DS has not been confirmed to be selling at  loss, or has it?

Yes, it has:  http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/01/iwata-3ds-price-drop-avoids-gamecubes-mistakes/ 



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Tridrakious said:
Well this would show Sony doesn't need to cut the price. Why cut the price when you are profiting on each unit sold. Sony can not....can not be that stupid.

If they are making profit, use that profit to market the system and MAKE MORE GAMES. I have no problem spending $250 for the WIFI only model right now.


Umm... Nintendo did cut the price despite selling on profit lol. You're missing the obvious.


Nintendo jumped the gun are their price cut. Nintendo expected remade ports of N64 games to sell the system for the first 7 months on the market. They didn't, even with the $80 price cut. It wasn't until Mario came to the rescue...oh and the holiday shopping season.

Vita does not need to have a price cut. Japan needs games targeting japanese gamers. There haven't been much at all in the way of what made the PSP a success there. Uncharted, Resistence, Motorstorm, LittleBigPlanet and Call of Duty will drive the Vita in the NA and EU markets. But Vita needs Final Fantasy and Monster Hunter for the Japanese market to erupt for PS Vita. (considering I don't think Sony will get Dragon Quest back).

If Sony is making a profit off of the PS Vita then they need to keep the price. Sony as a whole needs to be focusing on the returning to MAKING MONEY instead of losing it. Vita needs games. 3DS is falling like a rock post holidays, just like every other system on the market. Despite every system being cheaper now (minus the 360) than last year.

Games sell systems. Nintendo has always made a profit on the systems. They cut their price shortly after E3 because when everyone walked away from that event. Everyone was talking about how Sony nailed the price of the Vita. Sony had a perfect conference with the Vita last year. There was actual pressure on Nintendo to do something to guarantee they wouldn't lose a market they have dominated since they entered it.

The question leaving E3 was, "Can the 3DS hold off the Vita with them priced at the same $250 price point?". I remember looking through multiple sites that stated Vita will beat the 3DS (this was before the $80 price cut and the only game on the market worth anything was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D though). Even after the price cut for the 3DS the system didn't start flying off the shelves.

Nintendo needed to do something to not lose this segment of the market. If they didn't act, Vita would have stomped on them. What I see is Nintendo can't compete when they come to Sony's or even Microsoft's turf.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Shinobi-san said:
thekitchensink said:
This may be true, but they are still losing money. It still costs them money to ship it, and the $250 is how much customers are charged--the store pays Sony less than that.

Plus, if Nintendo's taking a loss at $170 on the 3DS, Sony are definitely taking one for the Vita.


You can't really claim that with a 100% certainty though...sony have also said themselves that they do not plan on selling the vita at a loss. However the more latest comments suggests that they are selling it a loss but only slightly for the wifi model at least. I dont see them selling the 3g model at a loss though.

Also, as far as i know the 3DS has not been confirmed to be selling at  loss, or has it?

Yes, it has:  http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/01/iwata-3ds-price-drop-avoids-gamecubes-mistakes/ 


So 3DS should be more expensive to produce then Vita???

I doubt it, really!

PR, if you ask me.



Zlejedi said:
Hmm is it just me or that calculation doesn't include quad core gpu ?


There is no discrete GPU. It's part of the SoC along with the CPU and a bunch of other stuff.



Tridrakious said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Tridrakious said:
Well this would show Sony doesn't need to cut the price. Why cut the price when you are profiting on each unit sold. Sony can not....can not be that stupid.

If they are making profit, use that profit to market the system and MAKE MORE GAMES. I have no problem spending $250 for the WIFI only model right now.


Umm... Nintendo did cut the price despite selling on profit lol. You're missing the obvious.


Nintendo jumped the gun are their price cut. Nintendo expected remade ports of N64 games to sell the system for the first 7 months on the market. They didn't, even with the $80 price cut. It wasn't until Mario came to the rescue...oh and the holiday shopping season.

Vita does not need to have a price cut. Japan needs games targeting japanese gamers. There haven't been much at all in the way of what made the PSP a success there. Uncharted, Resistence, Motorstorm, LittleBigPlanet and Call of Duty will drive the Vita in the NA and EU markets. But Vita needs Final Fantasy and Monster Hunter for the Japanese market to erupt for PS Vita. (considering I don't think Sony will get Dragon Quest back).

If Sony is making a profit off of the PS Vita then they need to keep the price. Sony as a whole needs to be focusing on the returning to MAKING MONEY instead of losing it. Vita needs games. 3DS is falling like a rock post holidays, just like every other system on the market. Despite every system being cheaper now (minus the 360) than last year.

Games sell systems. Nintendo has always made a profit on the systems. They cut their price shortly after E3 because when everyone walked away from that event. Everyone was talking about how Sony nailed the price of the Vita. Sony had a perfect conference with the Vita last year. There was actual pressure on Nintendo to do something to guarantee they wouldn't lose a market they have dominated since they entered it.

The question leaving E3 was, "Can the 3DS hold off the Vita with them priced at the same $250 price point?". I remember looking through multiple sites that stated Vita will beat the 3DS (this was before the $80 price cut and the only game on the market worth anything was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D though). Even after the price cut for the 3DS the system didn't start flying off the shelves.

Nintendo needed to do something to not lose this segment of the market. If they didn't act, Vita would have stomped on them. What I see is Nintendo can't compete when they come to Sony's or even Microsoft's turf.


As you said, Nintendo realized that they had to cut the price as the current games out for it wouldn't sell hardware while at the same time there were no huge system seller coming out for the near future. To reach their predictions (which was their main goal) they also had to rush out Mario Kart 7, as they feared that Super Mario 3D Land wouldn't be enough to push sales. Where it not for the price cut AND Mario Kart 7, Nintendo likely would have sold less systems than initially predicted. The price cut was necessary!

It doesn't seem to much different with the Vita. No Japanese best sellers are gonna be released in the near future, and if the Vita doesn't want to end up like the Gamecube (slow start; no penetration to the masses) they are likely gonna have to cut the price, just like many retailers already have. This is extra important now that the 3DS has Monster Hunter on top of that price.



ninty_shareholder64 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Shinobi-san said:
thekitchensink said:
This may be true, but they are still losing money. It still costs them money to ship it, and the $250 is how much customers are charged--the store pays Sony less than that.

Plus, if Nintendo's taking a loss at $170 on the 3DS, Sony are definitely taking one for the Vita.


You can't really claim that with a 100% certainty though...sony have also said themselves that they do not plan on selling the vita at a loss. However the more latest comments suggests that they are selling it a loss but only slightly for the wifi model at least. I dont see them selling the 3g model at a loss though.

Also, as far as i know the 3DS has not been confirmed to be selling at  loss, or has it?

Yes, it has:  http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/01/iwata-3ds-price-drop-avoids-gamecubes-mistakes/ 


So 3DS should be more expensive to produce then Vita???

I doubt it, really!

PR, if you ask me.

Did you read the OP? Component costs doesn't cover all.