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No huge surprise, this happens pretty much every year as I remember.



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Wow those are the biggest adjustments I have ever seen.

If MS does have about 3 million consoles sitting on shelves then they pretty much don't have to ship anything for Q1.



kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
Argh_College said:
shanbcn said:
360 still overtracked quite badly.

 

 

 

 

hmmm

n...

It seems the horse was too high. 

MS stuffed the channels, mostly because retailers ordered based on Black FRiday numbers. Can;t blame them, I never expected anything less than 2.5 million. And every console is down.

 

I never said stuffing the channel doesn't exist. We just saw MS doing it. 

 

Alright, this is from your own tread.

psrock said:

I'm surprise how close the PS3 and 360 are the last 6 months, I expected a bigger gap due kinect. 


channel stuffing will answer that one

 

 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=1



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kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
Argh_College said:
shanbcn said:
360 still overtracked quite badly.

yeah yeah right Lol You think that theres >2 Milion on shelves, over on U.S maybe since i dont know what adjustments were made but Way undertracked in others.

Undertracked? Where? Europe? Japan? The 2 strongest markets of the competitor? Its becoming more and more clear MS shipped too many, they overestimated the demand. This time we also didnt hear anything from that xbox dude(something with major) who always bragged about NPD numbers.

its aaron greenberg that announces 360 numbers and yes we did hear from him actually.  The NPD numbers for the 360 are very impressive when compared to the competition.... basically obliterating the competition again... they only look poor when we have all been looking at VGC numbers for the last 4 weeks.  

...and you cant ship too many.... they arent sent unsolicited to retailers you know.

Retailers MAY order too many and end up returning them if they are allowed, but it isnt channel stuffing.  Channel stuffing doesnt really exist.

Did you just say channel suffing doesn't exist? seriously someone, help me find the millions of times you have accused Sony of doing so. I don't know what's worst the vgchartz numbers before npd or MS saying they sold more than 66 million before the NPD.


Go look. 

The only time I can even remember referring to it is when I have said previously that it is possible to have over-supply through over ordering by the retailer... but that is irrelevant as it just leads to fewer being shipped later or/and retailers sending them back.

By all means go check...  shouldnt be too difficult if I have said it millions of times.

oh... and now it IS sold 66m not shipped?

ffs. lol  

Sad times for VGC, if its off by 2m which is clearly is if 66m is definatley sold, then why should we trust that the Wii and PS3 numbers are close to being right either, for all we know they could all be off by 2m+

Think from now on ill just stick to quaterly shipment statments, its the only thing thats accurate. 



its nothing surprising that adjustments have to be done after "official" reports... VGC never hide that their numbers were a calculated guess... people put to much hope in the numbers to supply "prof" that their console is the best!



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yo_john117 said:
Wow those are the biggest adjustments I have ever seen.

If MS does have about 3 million consoles sitting on shelves then they pretty much don't have to ship anything for Q1.

Exactly. Shipments arnt going to be close to Q1 last year because they were refilling the channels. Normally they do in the 1.5m region that Q.

So if they do 1.5m again Q1 (even though that's down 1.2m yoy) I dunno how people can claiming stuffing the channel. This Q1 was always going to be below 2.2m at the least, they didn't need to refill the channel.

Now if we see sub 1m, then we're onto something, or as you pointing out, not shipping anything at all.



 

kowenicki said:
ils411 said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
Argh_College said:
shanbcn said:
360 still overtracked quite badly.

yeah yeah right Lol You think that theres >2 Milion on shelves, over on U.S maybe since i dont know what adjustments were made but Way undertracked in others.

Undertracked? Where? Europe? Japan? The 2 strongest markets of the competitor? Its becoming more and more clear MS shipped too many, they overestimated the demand. This time we also didnt hear anything from that xbox dude(something with major) who always bragged about NPD numbers.

its aaron greenberg that announces 360 numbers and yes we did hear from him actually.  The NPD numbers for the 360 are very impressive when compared to the competition.... basically obliterating the competition again... they only look poor when we have all been looking at VGC numbers for the last 4 weeks.  

...and you cant ship too many.... they arent sent unsolicited to retailers you know.

Retailers MAY order too many and end up returning them if they are allowed, but it isnt channel stuffing.  Channel stuffing doesnt really exist.

And yet Sony has been accussed of Channel stuffing with the PS3 by every X360 fanboy every Nov-Dec since always.

But yeah, I agree, channel stuffing is BS and any overshipment is due to retailers over ordering from MS. Either that or the retailers and MS have some sort of agreement wherein MS can ship as many as possible to retailers to ensure availability of stocks of the X360 during the holiday season and the retailers have the option to return excess stocks after december or something.


by every ms fanboy...

first, the problem is that you are even listening to fanboys, second.... who?

I would like to know who as well. Please point out some instances of people claiming that Sony Channel stuffed. I am a firm believer that only what retailers order is shipped. As someone who has owned a business I was never surprised with a bunch of product delivered that I didnt order.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
Argh_College said:
shanbcn said:
360 still overtracked quite badly.

 

 

 

 

 

I never said stuffing the channel doesn't exist. We just saw MS doing it. 

 

Alright, this is from your own tread.

psrock said:

I'm surprise how close the PS3 and 360 are the last 6 months, I expected a bigger gap due kinect. 

 


channel stuffing will answer that one

 

 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=1

 

and you missed off the wink I put at the end...... I was actually taking the piss out of the "channel stuffers", one which, it now turns out, you are one.

 

I'm more of an "undertracker" my friend. And no, You have argued for years  Sony overship. winking at yourself is just not healthy. 



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psrock said:
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
Argh_College said:
shanbcn said:
360 still overtracked quite badly.

 

 

 

 

hmmm

n...

It seems the horse was too high. 

MS stuffed the channels, mostly because retailers ordered based on Black FRiday numbers. Can;t blame them, I never expected anything less than 2.5 million. And every console is down.

 

I never said stuffing the channel doesn't exist. We just saw MS doing it. 

 

Alright, this is from your own tread.

psrock said:

I'm surprise how close the PS3 and 360 are the last 6 months, I expected a bigger gap due kinect. 

 


channel stuffing will answer that one

 

 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=1

 


i have nothing to do with this... but was reading your argument...

and i have to say

BUSTED!



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