Christians have never been the brightest bunch to begin with.
Christians have never been the brightest bunch to begin with.
The Catholic Church accepts evolution, doesnt it?
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Christians not the brightest bunch? For real?
The large portion of the best and most important scientists, poets, artists etc were christian
The two theories people are defending on here (Big Bang and Evolution) were created by Christian scientists
Beer was first mass produced by Christian Monks
Your move Sherlock :p
What a dumb thread title honestly. They don't accept it because it isn't in their beliefs, i.e. it's not in the bible. Is your next thread going to be "Why can't atheists accept creationism?"
I'm either Deist or Atheist depending on my mood, but either way I accept evolution.
Edit: And as many people have said already, many Christians do accept evolution. Just like while core Christians believe the earth is ~6000 years old, there are many who believe it is billions of years old and the "days" of creation aren't literal 24 hour days.
Chunkysatsuma said: Christians not the brightest bunch? For real? The large portion of the best and most important scientists, poets, artists etc were christian The two theories people are defending on here (Big Bang and Evolution) were created by Christian scientists Beer was first mass produced by Christian Monks Your move Sherlock :p |
Beer was invented and mass produced way before Christians, like thousands of years before by Ancient Egyptians. It was pivotal to their society:
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/beer.html
I personally have never met a person who does not believe in evolution - I have seen them on the Internet but assume they're just trolls. I also live in a very Christian community. Though I am aware that there is a large perception among neo-atheists (the ones who are essentially the equivilent to the most psychotic of the door-to-door mormon/jehova's whitnesses of the atheist world - (including Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens) who CONSTANTLY push the prejudiced remark that Christians reject science and reason; which itself shows the intellectual poverty, ignorance, and childishness of the neo-atheist.
As for the Big Bang theory, religious people would believe in that because the Big Bang theory was essentially what verified the validity both the Cosmological argument and the Teleological argument for the existence of a creator - and by extension, logically concluded the validity of the ontological argument - whereas before that the universe was eternal without the need of a beginning - and it was nihilism vs the moral argument, and was a heavy blow against the probability of atheism. So yes, Christians, and any religious person would definitely accept the Big Bang theory more readily than an atheist would (because there are no good arguments for the creation of matter, energy, and time out of nothing, with the exact quantities and laws required to sustain atomic particles greater than helium and life of any sort. This is why Einstein was an agnostic theist who leaned toward Panentheism or Pantheism as the highest possibilities.
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No problem XD
mhsillen said: I look at it that the creator is a powerful scientific being. He is not some mystical being. He uses scientific laws to create and if it was the big bang he used then so be it. But whatever you believe it is never wise to ignore other ideas contrary to your beliefs. It is not absurd to look at living things and think these are so complicated it must of been planned and built by a intelligent being. It sounds like the sharks are adapting not turning into geese. Adaptation happens all the time. |
Liked your post until I read that, makes you sound a little ignorant. You have to consider those small adaptions accumulating over the space of billions of years. And even if you personally can't visualize it, it's been well supported by the fossil record and confirmed by DNA sequencing. Not specifically "sharks turning into geese" ofcourse but macro-evolution as a whole.
MrBubbles said: plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory. |
Pretty much.
Coincidence is a mathematical term and the possibility of an event's occurrence can be calculated using the mathematics of probability.
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 1010123. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
THE PROBABILITY OF THE OCCURRENCE OF A UNIVERSE IN WHICH LIFE CAN FORM | ||||||||
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Taking the physical variables into account, what is the likelihood of a universe giving us life coming into existence by coincidence? One in billions of billions? Or trillions of trillions of trillions? Or more?
Roger Penrose*, a famous British mathematician and a close friend of Stephen Hawking, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of the Big Bang.
According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1.
It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10123 means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10123 zeros.
Or consider: 103 means 1,000, a thousand. 10103 is a number that that has 1 followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if nine, a billion; if twelve, a trillion and so on. There is not even a name for a number that has 1 followed by 10123 zeros.
In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 1050 means "zero probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion times less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental" or "coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.
Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.
In fact in order to recognize that the universe is not a "product of coincidences" one does not really need any of these calculations at all. Simply by looking around himself, a person can easily perceive the fact of creation in even the tiniest details of what he sees. How could a universe like this, perfect in its systems, the sun, the earth, people, houses, cars, trees, flowers, insects, and all the other things in it ever have come into existence as the result of atoms falling together by chance after an explosion? Every detail we peer at shows the evidence of God's existence and supreme power. Only people who reflect can grasp these signs.
References:* Roger Penrose, The Emperor's New Mind, 1989; Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny, The New York: The Free Press, 1998, p. 9
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