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naznatips said:
krik said:
I might agree with him. Wii hardware is not pushing game development at all . Wii games only push creativity on how to use the Wii controls. This is sad :(

I'm going to be at GDC next month and I'm going to try to figure out what is the general Wii-feel from developers but right now I believe this guy is right. These "casual" Wii games are pretty low quality and they are eating sales from the high quality games. This will eventually hurt the whole industry.

Again though you are going back to the (very) mistaken idea that only casual games can sell on the Wii. There isn't even an argument for this statement. The evidence is so strongly against this idea that it's ridiculous. If he wants to keep making core games, the Wii does not stop him from doing that. Just as the DS doesn't stop him from doing that. Again, he started saying this crap about the PSP and the DS months ago too, but now PSP development looks like an afterthought compared to DS development from SE.


Unfortunaly the games market is rulled by investors... they will not invest in a next-gen game when they can make an easy buck on the Wii.

This is going to cause stagnation of 3D technologies, physics, animations, etc. This is what I'm talking about, the system is too low end for next-gen game developement... with the exception of the controls, of course.

 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

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I'm with Soriku here, I am 97 procent sure Baten Kaitos 3 is coming to the Wii.



routsounmanman said:
krik said:
I might agree with him. Wii hardware is not pushing game development at all . Wii games only push creativity on how to use the Wii controls. This is sad :(

I'm going to be at GDC next month and I'm going to try to figure out what is the general Wii-feel from developers but right now I believe this guy is right. These "casual" Wii games are pretty low quality and they are eating sales from the high quality games. This will eventually hurt the whole industry.

Hurt the whole industry? An industry which is flooded with FPS and action - kill 'em all titles? Nintendo is saving the industry like they did back in the NES days.


Well, if another shooter promotes evolution of the current physics, animation, 3D rendering, graphics, audio, etc  then I'm fine with it.



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

krik said:
naznatips said:
krik said:
I might agree with him. Wii hardware is not pushing game development at all . Wii games only push creativity on how to use the Wii controls. This is sad :(

I'm going to be at GDC next month and I'm going to try to figure out what is the general Wii-feel from developers but right now I believe this guy is right. These "casual" Wii games are pretty low quality and they are eating sales from the high quality games. This will eventually hurt the whole industry.

Again though you are going back to the (very) mistaken idea that only casual games can sell on the Wii. There isn't even an argument for this statement. The evidence is so strongly against this idea that it's ridiculous. If he wants to keep making core games, the Wii does not stop him from doing that. Just as the DS doesn't stop him from doing that. Again, he started saying this crap about the PSP and the DS months ago too, but now PSP development looks like an afterthought compared to DS development from SE.


Unfortunaly the games markes is rulled my investors... they will not invest in a next-gen game when they can make an easy buck on the Wii.

This is going to cause stagnation of 3D technologies, physics, animations, etc. This is what I'm talking about, the system is too low end for next-gen game developement... with the exception of the controls, of course.

 


Dude, the real stagnation that gaming industry , and overall entertainment industry, could suffer is lack of new emotions and interest in VG.

Tedium is the real enemy of VG industry, not technologic achievement.

Software houses invest where there is major chance to make a profit. Where there is a big ocean, fast growing there is money to be made and where there is money to be made there is companies that want to take them, creating concurrency.



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Soriku said:
RolStoppable said:
Soriku said:

That wasn't SG, that was that Bruce guy.

But I just put it there for the heck of it

I think it'll happen. Why wouldn't they make nother sequel to a successful franchise?


Soriku, Soriku, Soriku...

There's one time I am saying something nice about you and the next thing you do is going to prove me wrong on everything I said?

Baten Kaitos successful? Yeah...

Did both games combined even break 500k worldwide?


Quality wise.

 


Okami and Zack & Wiki would have 15 sequels by now.



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:/ Give me a sequel to Threads of fate on the Wii god damn it.

That is all.



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krik said:
routsounmanman said:
krik said:
I might agree with him. Wii hardware is not pushing game development at all . Wii games only push creativity on how to use the Wii controls. This is sad :(

I'm going to be at GDC next month and I'm going to try to figure out what is the general Wii-feel from developers but right now I believe this guy is right. These "casual" Wii games are pretty low quality and they are eating sales from the high quality games. This will eventually hurt the whole industry.

Hurt the whole industry? An industry which is flooded with FPS and action - kill 'em all titles? Nintendo is saving the industry like they did back in the NES days.


Well, if another shooter promotes evolution of the current physics, animation, 3D rendering, graphics, audio, etc then I'm fine with it.


You don't play for fun. You should go watch a Holywood movie instead.



celine said:
naznatips said:
There were a lot of similar comments made by Square Enix about the DS versus the PSP when the 2 handhelds were first released. Looking at their release lists on the systems now though that seems like a joke.

That's because Squaresoft made their fortune on cinematic trend.

PSP and PS3 are heavily "cinematic" systems ...


Yes, and look what happened.  Their "cinematic" games on the PSP haven't even touched the success of their DS games.  They realized that, and now their release lists show it better than ever.  

Square Enix PSP games announced and released:

Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy Tactics
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
Star Ocean
Star Ocean 2
Dissidia: Final Fantasy
Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Kingdom Hearts BBS
Itadaki Street Portable

Square Enix Nintendo DS games announced and released:

Egg Monster Hero
Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime
Dragon Quest Mosters: Joker
Dragon Quest IV
Dragon Quest V
Dragon Quest VI
Dragon Quest IX
Children of Mana
Heroes of Mana
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
Final Fantasy Tactics: A2
Itadaki Street DS
Front Mission 1st
Front Mission 2089: Border of Madness
The World Ends With You
Fantasy Earth: Zero
Kingdom Hearts: 358/2

Of the PSP games 7/10 are remakes.  Of the DS games 7/21 are remakes.   Even the percentage of remakes is hugely different.  So yeah, what Square Enix says now certainly doesn't reflect what their release lists will look like 2 years from now. 




Hmm...


I am pretty sure this has been said before but Square Enix put a lot of money on PS3, and from what I have heard Japanese tend to stick with only one console, so Wii's success is bad news to PS3 and S-E. I think that a year or two from now, when Wii's user base becomes even larger then S-E will change its tune pretty quickly.

I am pretty disappointed with Square Enix. They have spent most of their time remaking and porting their old games, and Final Fantasy series has considerably declined in quality. Yes, the graphics were improved and I actually liked FFXII's combat system but the game was nothing but a shallow attempt to repeat the success of older FF games. SE needs to stop rehashing old ideas and create some new franchises and end them before they get stale.



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