@ NJ5

Yes, something I can agree on! Wii Fit is destroying the industry! Teh crappy Nintendo cash in really are destroying the video game as we know it 2da!!1

swyggi said: Mario & Sonic it's a 3rd party game. Published AND developed by sega. And ps3 has 0 million sellers according to you, lol Your arguments are stupid at best. I guess all the profit made by Activision from GH3 Wii doesn't count just because it's a multiplatform game Same to you, I'm talking about the 3rd party exclusives on the wii, why are you deviating?

 Here's what you said just four posts ago:

"Can you show me the other 3rd-party games that sold well on the Wii? RE4 already proved successful on the GC and PS2, this was also at the end of the last gaming generation. RE4 is (and was at that time) currently one of the greatest games ever made as well. Obviously it's going to sell great."

 

Then, someone showed you other 3rd-party games that sold well on the Wii, and then you deviated, by suddenly making it a topic only about third party exclusives, and not just third parties in general.

So I ask again, for the third time: why are we suddenly only talking about exclusives?

everything became clear when he said this:

[quote]My issue with Crisis Core was with the combat system, which was stiff and relied too much on luck. The plot I don't care about anyway, as I really disliked FFVII.[q/uote]


is it strange that you don't like Crisis Core when you ''really dislike FFVII''
?

1) You still didn't answer the first question: why did we suddenly change this to exclusives


Exclusives help define a console and distinguishes it from the other consoles. The wii has motion controls unlike the other two, yes but exclusives are where the meat of the harvest lies.

2) The PS3 certainly does have something to do with it. If we were to agree that third party sales are poor on the Wii (which we don't necessarily agree on), the fact that third party sales are even worse on the PS3 is a fairly relevant consideration. It would mean that despite (supposedly) poor sales of third party games on the Wii, the PS3 is even worse for third parties, and thus deserves the support even less.

The PS3's "meat of the harvest" will be later this year, so until those games release this really isn't a relevant issue right now. The PS3 side of this argument
"just wait until

So I ask again, for the third time: why are we suddenly only talking about exclusives?

Dude, seriously take a chill pill. If you look closer when you asked this question the second time, our post times were the same. I was still typing to answer some other users.

naznatips said: Oh, and attach rate is how we meassure success now? Guess what guys, according to Diomedes Metal Gear Solid 3 is a huge flop. it sold 3.96 million units on a console that sold 120 million. That's a 1/30 attach rate. FAILURE! RE4 has a 1/15 attach rate. It's twice as successful!

 

sorry for the off topic, but I tried not to laugh very hard as I'm working right now, it's funny because both act and the post the same way :P

  

swyggi said: 1) You still didn't answer the first question: why did we suddenly change this to exclusives Exclusives help define a console and distinguishes it from the other consoles. The wii has motion controls unlike the other two, yes but exclusives are where the meat of the harvest lies. 2) The PS3 certainly does have something to do with it. If we were to agree that third party sales are poor on the Wii (which we don't necessarily agree on), the fact that third party sales are even worse on the PS3 is a fairly relevant consideration. It would mean that despite (supposedly) poor sales of third party games on the Wii, the PS3 is even worse for third parties, and thus deserves the support even less. The PS3's "meat of the harvest" will be later this year, so until those games release this really isn't a relevant issue right now. The PS3 side of this argument "just wait until comes out" still stands until those games come out. It seems like you're automatically labeled a PS3 fanboy if you even begin to talk slightly against the Wii on vgchartz so it's kind of hard to get my point across without being flamed and then ignored. You didn't directly, but when you brought up the PS3 all of a sudden for your argument when we were clearly just talking about the Wii's 3rd party support it was obvious. P.S. I ONLY own a Wii. I love the Wii, I'd just like better 3rd party support for it. Mainly in the future.

1) Not necessarily. I'd rather have non-exclusive million sellers than not have those games at all like the Gamecube. It benefits the Wii and really shows its selling power when a game available on all current consoles can still sell over a million on it. Of course that doesn't change the fact that you quickly altered your argument to fit your agenda.

2) Nobody called you a fanboy so you can put the victim card away, there's enough people playing that on a daily basis. Your argument is suspicious regardless of your 'loyalties' because you changed it when faced with evidence. Also, if the PS3 fan can use "wait until X game comes out" then Wii fans can do it too with gauranteed million seller exclusives like The Crystal Bearers coming this year.

@ClaudeLv250 - Thanks for that reasoned response. I couldn't have spelled it out better myself. Same to Bod. After so many "Wii am cry for 3rd party support" stealth/unstealth posts I don't have the fortitude to spell it all out yet once and again over and over.

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
MySims
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Cooking Mama: Cook Off
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
High School Musical: Sing It!
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008

That's 16 3rd party games that are VERY succesful on the Wii. Each one has sold or will soon sell over 600k WW. That's equivalent of a million seller on PS3 or Xbox360.

AT THE MOMENT: 3rd parties sell awesomely on Xbox360. 3rd parties sell good on Wii. 3rd parties sell mediocre/bad on PS3.

2) Nobody called you a fanboy so you can put the victim card away, there's enough people playing that on a daily basis. Your argument is suspicious regardless of your 'loyalties' because you changed it when faced with evidence. Also, if the PS3 fan can use "wait until X game comes out" then Wii fans can do it too with gauranteed million seller exclusives like The Crystal Bearers coming this year.


Not directly no one did. It's just odd that the PS3 was brought into this. When did I change my argument? My argument is around "There aren't that many good selling 3rd party exclusive titles for the Wii". I used the "wait until X games comes out" for the PS3 because from looking at the future line-up it looks that way and I wish the Wii had it that way. You're right for saying that Wii gamers can say that too, it's just that most of the future 3rd party exclusives for the Wii don't look appealing to me. I guess it just depends on your point of view.