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thekitchensink said:
Izo said:
Everyone targets Sony with there none sense. Another lawsuit to fail for laughing enjoyment. People should focus on companies that ACTUALLY step on your rights instead of wasting there time because they personally hate Sony or w/e there reason is. Wasting your resources on stupid crap like this.

Why do you guys think Sony gets targeted so much with lawsuits? I personally think its jealousy/childish I didn't get what I wanted so lets attack

Do you think these people are starting lawsuits for legit reasons or hatred/opportunity?


Um.... Sony is trying to veto people's right to sue them, no matter how the company could potentially fuck up in the future.  That sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.  People are trying to do something about this 'stupid crap' that infringes on the very foundations of their rights as consumers.

But no, you're right, they obviously just hate Sony.

How do you feel about arbitration then? Or should they be  mass lawsuits where the consumer gets petty nothing and the lawyers make out with everything?

There agreement states to my knowledge that you can go into arbitration which if you win you get personal damages but thats not good enough. If it cant be a mass lawsuit lets get rid of it. It would be insanely easy to proove if Sony is at fault for lossng your credit card or w/e issue it may be and you would win a personal case.

It's not the consumer that filled that lawsuit because Sony lost credit card numbers it was greedy ass lawyers that wanted to take advantage of a situation and as a defense to this they say you into abritration instead if you want to use PSN (a free service).

So from what I take from this is. If you want to mass sue us and cost millions for little personal gain you can't use our service but instead if you want to personally gain what you lost and you can proove it to a judge you can do that instead.



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This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.



makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.



Sony are DA EVIL. We all know that. Unlike Microsoft or EA, who would never do that to consumer's rights. Oh, wait... (I'm not hating on MS or EA; I'm just pointing out how Sony get most of the hate and the lawsuits, unlike the rest who follow similar paths).

I find some people's hate towards Sony at the very least laughable. There is a difference between consumer's rights and an effort to bring a company down using any means possible, especially when no one forces anyone to buy their products or prohibits them from reselling them.



Icyedge said:
makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.


Have fun taking on sony's lawyer all on your own. Class action lawsuits are there to level the playing field so companies can't just bully a lone consumer around. It is hard to recoup small amounts of monetary damage unless through a class action lawsuit. And the precedant has already been set by the AT and T case it looks like, so perhaps this is a challenge to that precedent



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thranx said:
Icyedge said:
makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.


Have fun taking on sony's lawyer all on your own. Class action lawsuits are there to level the playing field so companies can't just bully a lone consumer around. It is hard to recoup small amounts of monetary damage unless through a class action lawsuit. And the precedant has already been set by the AT and T case it looks like, so perhaps this is a challenge to that precedent


I know but its just for their PSN service not for the hardware as a whole. Console breaking in too big of a proportion, as seen with the PS2 disc reading error or Xbox RROD, would be impossible to prove as a sole consumer (anecdotic), but thats not what this anti lawsuit provision is about.



Icyedge said:
thranx said:
Icyedge said:
makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.


Have fun taking on sony's lawyer all on your own. Class action lawsuits are there to level the playing field so companies can't just bully a lone consumer around. It is hard to recoup small amounts of monetary damage unless through a class action lawsuit. And the precedant has already been set by the AT and T case it looks like, so perhaps this is a challenge to that precedent


I know but its just for their PSN service not for the hardware as a whole. Console breaking in too big of a proportion, as seen with the PS2 disc reading error or Xbox RROD, would be impossible to prove as a sole consumer (anecdotic), but thats not what this anti lawsuit provision is about.

doesn't matter to me what its for, its just the fact that they are adding that provision. Its an anti consumer regulation and I dont approve of consumers having their rights striped. By any compnay. If we let one do it they will all do it and we as consumers will be less empowered because of it. Corporations have plenty of laws on their side and the money to back up lawsuits, indviduals do not.



thranx said:
Icyedge said:
thranx said:
Icyedge said:
makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.


Have fun taking on sony's lawyer all on your own. Class action lawsuits are there to level the playing field so companies can't just bully a lone consumer around. It is hard to recoup small amounts of monetary damage unless through a class action lawsuit. And the precedant has already been set by the AT and T case it looks like, so perhaps this is a challenge to that precedent


I know but its just for their PSN service not for the hardware as a whole. Console breaking in too big of a proportion, as seen with the PS2 disc reading error or Xbox RROD, would be impossible to prove as a sole consumer (anecdotic), but thats not what this anti lawsuit provision is about.

doesn't matter to me what its for, its just the fact that they are adding that provision. Its an anti consumer regulation and I dont approve of consumers having their rights striped. By any compnay. If we let one do it they will all do it and we as consumers will be less empowered because of it. Corporations have plenty of laws on their side and the money to back up lawsuits, indviduals do not.

I agree, but PSN is a service. I think the damage suffer to individual user of a service is way too different for class action lawsuit to make sense. Between, do you have free legal assistance for people with lower salary in the US?



Icyedge said:
thranx said:
Icyedge said:
thranx said:
Icyedge said:
makingmusic476 said:
This could be a pretty important case. It's likely to set a precedent for how the courts handle similar clauses being implemented by companies like Microsoft and EA into their own ToSes.


The basis is somewhat wrong though, the anti class action lawsuit provision is for their free PSN service not for the hardware you own. And yet, it doesnt mean that you cant personally sue Sony over a lost of your personal information, its solely for class action lawsuit. The comment from Pachter is actually pretty reasonable, have a look at his video.


Have fun taking on sony's lawyer all on your own. Class action lawsuits are there to level the playing field so companies can't just bully a lone consumer around. It is hard to recoup small amounts of monetary damage unless through a class action lawsuit. And the precedant has already been set by the AT and T case it looks like, so perhaps this is a challenge to that precedent


I know but its just for their PSN service not for the hardware as a whole. Console breaking in too big of a proportion, as seen with the PS2 disc reading error or Xbox RROD, would be impossible to prove as a sole consumer (anecdotic), but thats not what this anti lawsuit provision is about.

doesn't matter to me what its for, its just the fact that they are adding that provision. Its an anti consumer regulation and I dont approve of consumers having their rights striped. By any compnay. If we let one do it they will all do it and we as consumers will be less empowered because of it. Corporations have plenty of laws on their side and the money to back up lawsuits, indviduals do not.

I agree, but PSN is a service. I think the damage suffer to individual user of a service is way too different for class action lawsuit to make sense. Between, do you have free legal assistance for people with lower salary in the US?

only in criminal cases. In all other cases you would try to get a class action lawsuit together where the lawyer would be paid out of the proceeds of the winnings. Lets say psn overcharged 100,000 consumers only 5 dollars each, no lawyer would sew for 5 dollars, but onbe would in a 500,000 class action lawsuit. Basically this will make it easier for companies to nickel and dime people to death with out little recourse.