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Troll_Whisperer on 20 December 2011
kowenicki said:

I certianly dont just say it for the sake of it..  ever.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4296734

"360 down and everything else up... sorry... but no"

The week after the Battlefield launch in which the Xbox was coming from a big HW bump. I remember because it seemed a pretty logical thing that 360 would be down and you yet just said it could't be.

 

I'm not trying to accuse you, but rather point out that it's legitimate to have doubts about the numbers and conjecture (like you did in this case). It's a sales website after all. It can be annoying if someone repeats it like a broken record, but otherwise I don't see the big deal.



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Moren on 20 December 2011

>:(
Not happy about OoT 3D outselling Skyward Sword



MARCUSDJACKSON on 20 December 2011
Tridrakious said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Tridrakious said:


Kevin Butler could make the jump back to being much more mainstream than where he's at now, but what I'm seeing is that Sony is going to mostly move away from Butler. Bad move, but they've had about 5 commercials over the holiday (so far) and Butler has been in one and it wasn't that good. 

strange. can't say i see where Sony is going with that move.

Jack Tretton took over as President and CEO SCEA after Kaz Hirai ran during the PS1 and PS2 eras. By the time Jack took over the PS2 was weakening because the new generation had started. I wouldn't pin everything on Jack, but as a leader he is leading the American branch that is about 20 million units outsold by the second place console in the war (360), which its self was almost 8 million units outsold by the leading system. Of course Kaz had the brilliant Ken Kutaragi leading the division. Even with that though Kaz has been pushed for the complete rebranding of the PS3, new advertising, bringing the game developers in to make the Vita.

rebranding could help, but they need an ip to strike a cord with the consumer. 

Tretton can't succeed. He barks ALOT, but he has no bite. pitbull with no teeth

PlayStation Move does have so much potential. I know it might sound bad, but SCEI needs to force top notch developers to make games for the controller. Games that require the controller and then bundle them together for a year.

agreed, but (dare i say) Sony needs to make new teams who's whole focus is Move.

SCEJ over saw Gran Turismo 5: Prologue and Gran Turismo 5 (combined have sold over 11 million units, I believe) and SCEE has LittleBigPlanet that rivals Uncharted in terms of sales and then there is KillZone that also performs pretty well.

well, it seems the bigger ip come from SCEE. it'd be nice to know what they've been up to. Sony needs something big next yr., and it doesn't matter where it comes from. 

For the third party thing Sony has strengthened their WorldWide Studios to rival Nintendo's (Yes, I did say that, deal with it Nintendoites). They need to finish this generation stronger on the third party side than they started. The PS2 was so dominate because Sony was making outstanding first party games and was getting outstanding third party exclusives.

well as a ninty fan, that doesn't bother me much considering Ninty is boring me to death. i'd like to know what Sony has considering the reports coming in that they have something(not much detail) coming next yr.?



SCEE seems to be the leading branch right now. Which is one of the factors why I approve of the Andrew House taking over as President and CEO of SCEI.

Hmmm. We mostly agree....I don't think i've seen this before...

Weird.

well you'd have to disagree with me for us to mostly agree cause, i think you're on the money. i SCEE are the ones that are going to give us the good, but sriking the right cord , and finding thte ip that srikes that cord will be the only challenge going forward.



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psrock on 20 December 2011
Troll_Whisperer said:
kowenicki said:

I certianly dont just say it for the sake of it..  ever.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4296734

"360 down and everything else up... sorry... but no"

The week after the Battlefield launch in which the Xbox was coming from a big HW bump. I remember because it seemed a pretty logical thing that 360 would be down and you yet just said it could't be.

 

I'm not trying to accuse you, but rather point out that it's legitimate to have doubts about the numbers and conjecture (like you did in this case). It's a sales website after all. It can be annoying if someone repeats it like a broken record, but otherwise I don't see the big deal.

You actually looked. I know kowen, I have been in this site long enough to know he's not consistent. 



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psrock on 21 December 2011
Seece said:

God what a mess ....

To clarifiy, psrock no it's not ok to shout undertracked without any evidence, actually it's a moderatable defense and it's ruining convo.

To the rest that say 'X360 gets adjusted down every year, PS3 up' I don't think so.

Last year after christmas (and this is using adjusted numbers) the PS3 had 1.7m on shelves. It's at 58.2 atm, set to do 1 mill this week, 1.2m week after likely, and 600k week after going by last year and how it's up yoy. That's 61 sell through.

Sony expect 6.8 - 7.6 shipped this Q so that would be 62.3 - 63.1 (1.3m - 2.1m on shelves.)

If it's bang in the middle of that then it's on par with last year.

The snide remarks about NPD and adjustments shouldn't be tolerated, so enjoy them whilst you still can.

I don't mind vgchartz banning people for questioning their numbers in every sales thread, its their choice. 



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Seece on 21 December 2011
psrock said:
Seece said:

God what a mess ....

To clarifiy, psrock no it's not ok to shout undertracked without any evidence, actually it's a moderatable defense and it's ruining convo.

To the rest that say 'X360 gets adjusted down every year, PS3 up' I don't think so.

Last year after christmas (and this is using adjusted numbers) the PS3 had 1.7m on shelves. It's at 58.2 atm, set to do 1 mill this week, 1.2m week after likely, and 600k week after going by last year and how it's up yoy. That's 61 sell through.

Sony expect 6.8 - 7.6 shipped this Q so that would be 62.3 - 63.1 (1.3m - 2.1m on shelves.)

If it's bang in the middle of that then it's on par with last year.

The snide remarks about NPD and adjustments shouldn't be tolerated, so enjoy them whilst you still can.

I don't mind vgchartz banning people for questioning their numbers in every sales thread, its their choice. 

They can question them as long as they actually have something to back it up. Saying it was up in Nov so it must be up in Dec isn't good enough.



 

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psrock on 21 December 2011
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:

God what a mess ....

To clarifiy, psrock no it's not ok to shout undertracked without any evidence, actually it's a moderatable defense and it's ruining convo.

To the rest that say 'X360 gets adjusted down every year, PS3 up' I don't think so.

Last year after christmas (and this is using adjusted numbers) the PS3 had 1.7m on shelves. It's at 58.2 atm, set to do 1 mill this week, 1.2m week after likely, and 600k week after going by last year and how it's up yoy. That's 61 sell through.

Sony expect 6.8 - 7.6 shipped this Q so that would be 62.3 - 63.1 (1.3m - 2.1m on shelves.)

If it's bang in the middle of that then it's on par with last year.

The snide remarks about NPD and adjustments shouldn't be tolerated, so enjoy them whilst you still can.

I don't mind vgchartz banning people for questioning their numbers in every sales thread, its their choice. 

They can question them as long as they actually have something to back it up. Saying it was up in Nov so it must be up in Dec isn't good enough.

I never knew to question something you needed backup, I believe you needed a valid reason. It's realy not crazy to assume numbers will increase from November to December, it's a given.



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hatmoza on 21 December 2011
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:

God what a mess ....

To clarifiy, psrock no it's not ok to shout undertracked without any evidence, actually it's a moderatable defense and it's ruining convo.

To the rest that say 'X360 gets adjusted down every year, PS3 up' I don't think so.

Last year after christmas (and this is using adjusted numbers) the PS3 had 1.7m on shelves. It's at 58.2 atm, set to do 1 mill this week, 1.2m week after likely, and 600k week after going by last year and how it's up yoy. That's 61 sell through.

Sony expect 6.8 - 7.6 shipped this Q so that would be 62.3 - 63.1 (1.3m - 2.1m on shelves.)

If it's bang in the middle of that then it's on par with last year.

The snide remarks about NPD and adjustments shouldn't be tolerated, so enjoy them whilst you still can.

I don't mind vgchartz banning people for questioning their numbers in every sales thread, its their choice. 

They can question them as long as they actually have something to back it up. Saying it was up in Nov so it must be up in Dec isn't good enough.

I never knew to question something you needed backup, I believe you needed a valid reason. It's realy not crazy to assume numbers will increase from November to December, it's a given.


Sorry psrock, you're going to have to back that statement up with proof!



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psrock on 21 December 2011
hatmoza said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:

God what a mess ....

To clarifiy, psrock no it's not ok to shout undertracked without any evidence, actually it's a moderatable defense and it's ruining convo.

To the rest that say 'X360 gets adjusted down every year, PS3 up' I don't think so.

Last year after christmas (and this is using adjusted numbers) the PS3 had 1.7m on shelves. It's at 58.2 atm, set to do 1 mill this week, 1.2m week after likely, and 600k week after going by last year and how it's up yoy. That's 61 sell through.

Sony expect 6.8 - 7.6 shipped this Q so that would be 62.3 - 63.1 (1.3m - 2.1m on shelves.)

If it's bang in the middle of that then it's on par with last year.

The snide remarks about NPD and adjustments shouldn't be tolerated, so enjoy them whilst you still can.

I don't mind vgchartz banning people for questioning their numbers in every sales thread, its their choice. 

They can question them as long as they actually have something to back it up. Saying it was up in Nov so it must be up in Dec isn't good enough.

I never knew to question something you needed backup, I believe you needed a valid reason. It's realy not crazy to assume numbers will increase from November to December, it's a given.


Sorry psrock, you're going to have to back that statement up with proof!

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