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Back in the day the Windows Mobiles were actually not that bad. I am not sure where the bad reputation came from probably more from the Microsoft name than the devices themselves. Apple then came along and change peoples expectations but it took a long time before it did enough to get itself into businesses.

Windows Phone also suffers the Microsoft name but this time it caters for a wider audience. I say good luck to it the OS deserves its praise and it is a worth contender. Of course the UK Gadget Show gave its results to the Ipad and Iphone not sure what the gadget bit was though.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
disolitude said:

I think this was a problem at launch but these days those hardware specs aren't that high. I mean single core only, 1 ghz is pretty common, screen rez is standard and 256 ram/8GB is not that much to ask for as well.

So yeah, I don't think the specs are that high anymore. I honestly think its remarkable how smooth they are keeping the OS experience across the board after mango update, even with last gen devices like Dell Venue Pro which only have 256 megs of RAM.

I think WP7 main problem is OEM relationships/confidence and that Windows logo on the back on the phone. People have preconceived notions about that Windows logo...and rightfully so as windows phones have been very buggy in the past(windows mobile) 

While the specs have been lowered, they are still a lot higher than Android hardware requirements, leading to higher entry prices. I just had a look at the available WP7 devices and their prices in my country, and the cheapest WP7 phones that appear to be somewhat popular come at about 250 Euros. That's definitely affordable, but I think the majority of people is nevertheless looking for even cheaper devices. Android Smartphones on the other hand already come as cheap as 99 Euros and considering the price they are quite feature-packed, usually having WLAN/GPS/Bluetooth/Digital Camera etc. already builtin. Their biggest downside is being slow and the display being of bad resolution etc. - but in the end that only affects comfort, you can still do almost anything with them that you can do with high-price Android phones. I think a person who is today looking to replace his old mobile but who doesn't want to spend more money than necessary will likely choose an Android device, because when looking and comparing feature lists, the cheaper Android devices will look like the best deal for the price.

And of course, WP7 has the problem of being rather late to market and simply not having a reasonable market share yet. For customers that's a clear downside, because as long as it's not sure how bright WP7's future is going to be, spending hundreds of bucks on a WP7 phone is a bit of a risk and going with the established choices seems much safer. WebOS for example really is a nice OS as well, yet commercially it failed and was abandonded, and many people who spent their precious money on those devices are probably a bit pissed now.

The fact that Windows Mobile didn't have the best reputation etc. probably is a problem too, but I don't think its one of the biggest problems. I once had a Windows mobile smartphone as well, and back at the time I didn't even think it was that bad.

I actually consider the Metro UI to be a bigger problem. The general concept might be great (I really don't know, since so far I never had a chance to try a WP7 phone), but I think many people will find the simplistic design a bit boring (or even cheap looking). One can of course say that this was a consious decision because in the end eyecandy is rather distracting than actually improving efficiency etc., but in practice many people love eyecandy. When I would go in a mobile phone store looking for a new phone, walking past a device with the typical Metro home screen probably isn't much of an eyecatcher. When they would  try out the phone they might realize that the user interface concept is very clever, but they probably don't come that far because with several other smartphones around, the simplistic Metro user interface probably won't be catching their attention.

Lol instead of commenting on the metro UI you should better go to a store and test it. The metro UI isn't simplistic, it is just one of the easiest to use. Easy=/=simple. I love the way how the smiley on the messaging tile changes when I get more messages. Or how my friends their facebook photo's are shown on the people tile. You call this simplistic? Well I have one advice for you. Test things before you start commenting on it. People should start to give WP7 credit for the thing it is; one of the freshest and most fun OS to use on the market today.



maximrace said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
disolitude said:

I think this was a problem at launch but these days those hardware specs aren't that high. I mean single core only, 1 ghz is pretty common, screen rez is standard and 256 ram/8GB is not that much to ask for as well.

So yeah, I don't think the specs are that high anymore. I honestly think its remarkable how smooth they are keeping the OS experience across the board after mango update, even with last gen devices like Dell Venue Pro which only have 256 megs of RAM.

I think WP7 main problem is OEM relationships/confidence and that Windows logo on the back on the phone. People have preconceived notions about that Windows logo...and rightfully so as windows phones have been very buggy in the past(windows mobile) 

While the specs have been lowered, they are still a lot higher than Android hardware requirements, leading to higher entry prices. I just had a look at the available WP7 devices and their prices in my country, and the cheapest WP7 phones that appear to be somewhat popular come at about 250 Euros. That's definitely affordable, but I think the majority of people is nevertheless looking for even cheaper devices. Android Smartphones on the other hand already come as cheap as 99 Euros and considering the price they are quite feature-packed, usually having WLAN/GPS/Bluetooth/Digital Camera etc. already builtin. Their biggest downside is being slow and the display being of bad resolution etc. - but in the end that only affects comfort, you can still do almost anything with them that you can do with high-price Android phones. I think a person who is today looking to replace his old mobile but who doesn't want to spend more money than necessary will likely choose an Android device, because when looking and comparing feature lists, the cheaper Android devices will look like the best deal for the price.

And of course, WP7 has the problem of being rather late to market and simply not having a reasonable market share yet. For customers that's a clear downside, because as long as it's not sure how bright WP7's future is going to be, spending hundreds of bucks on a WP7 phone is a bit of a risk and going with the established choices seems much safer. WebOS for example really is a nice OS as well, yet commercially it failed and was abandonded, and many people who spent their precious money on those devices are probably a bit pissed now.

The fact that Windows Mobile didn't have the best reputation etc. probably is a problem too, but I don't think its one of the biggest problems. I once had a Windows mobile smartphone as well, and back at the time I didn't even think it was that bad.

I actually consider the Metro UI to be a bigger problem. The general concept might be great (I really don't know, since so far I never had a chance to try a WP7 phone), but I think many people will find the simplistic design a bit boring (or even cheap looking). One can of course say that this was a consious decision because in the end eyecandy is rather distracting than actually improving efficiency etc., but in practice many people love eyecandy. When I would go in a mobile phone store looking for a new phone, walking past a device with the typical Metro home screen probably isn't much of an eyecatcher. When they would  try out the phone they might realize that the user interface concept is very clever, but they probably don't come that far because with several other smartphones around, the simplistic Metro user interface probably won't be catching their attention.

Lol instead of commenting on the metro UI you should better go to a store and test it. The metro UI isn't simplistic, it is just one of the easiest to use. Easy=/=simple. I love the way how the smiley on the messaging tile changes when I get more messages. Or how my friends their facebook photo's are shown on the people tile. You call this simplistic? Well I have one advice for you. Test things before you start commenting on it. People should start to give WP7 credit for the thing it is; one of the freshest and most fun OS to use on the market today.

 
 
 

For once i think arnoldrimmer is right in pointing at metro UI as one of the major reasons for WP7s lack of sales success thus far. of course other elements like being late to the party and beand have some effect but with WP7, Microsoft went out of their way to create a UI which is the complete opposite of that on the iPhone. The UI is slick, well researched and a joy to use. It is however not what mass consumers are after, which is an iphone like experience for less money.

A lot of the Android success can be atributed to that, being a cheap iPhone copy. No wonder the most successful Android OEM is Samsung’, who’s TouchWiz UI most closely copies the iPhone.



So, if WP7 keeps selling bad, how long until microsoft realises that it's time to give up?



dallas said:
So, if WP7 keeps selling bad, how long until microsoft realises that it's time to give up?


enough man we get it you're not a fan...



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jpain333 said:
dallas said:
So, if WP7 keeps selling bad, how long until microsoft realises that it's time to give up?


enough man we get it you're not a fan...


I like windows phone but am not deluded enough to see that it has a tough battle. 

The world's biggest luxury markets (China and Japan) loves apple. Microsoft is the love baby of a dying west.

I won't go as far as to say "give up" but if I was to back a "winner" base on the way the global future market is likely to played out I won't back on MS.

Xbox and Japan may be a clue.... who knows?



justinian said:

 


I like windows phone but am not deluded enough to see that it has a tough battle. 

The world's biggest luxury markets (China and Japan) loves apple. Microsoft is the love baby of a dying west.

I won't go as far as to say "give up" but if I was to back a "winner" base on the way the global future market is likely to played out I won't back on MS.

Xbox and Japan may be a clue.... who knows?

I am not sure if youre just generally commenting on Microsofts situation as a whole or the Windows phone 7 but I will assume your post is about the smartphone maket.

I think that you're looking at it from a perspective that Microsoft has to beat Apple or Google with WP7 in the next 5 years or its a complete loss for them. I don't think Microsoft or anyone using/developing for the WP7 thinks this.

I think Microsoft is hoping for 5% marketshare by end of 2012, 10% in 2013 and possible 15%-20% by 2015. OEMs know that there is a void for a 3rd ecosystem in the cell phone marketplace and there really is no one else capable of competing with Google and Apple so I don't think MS is going anyhere in the mobile space for a while.



MS can get 5% rather easily , but reaching 10% would be rather hard, unlesd MS completely subsidises nokia's advertising, which MS probably wont do if wp7 doesn't meet balmer's marketshare targets



I just google'd ?nokia lumia sales? to find out how well the phone is selling after looking at 9 pages of article titles and reading several articles, it is clear that the consensus views the phone's sales as poor. The only positive articles are from novemer, when it releaded, well we know how a recent release goes with sales anyway.

I honestly thought that nokia would gain some traction with the help it was getting from M$, but they aren't doing much at all it seems.

Sorry, Selnor



dallas said:
I just google'd ?nokia lumia sales? to find out how well the phone is selling after looking at 9 pages of article titles and reading several articles, it is clear that the consensus views the phone's sales as poor. The only positive articles are from novemer, when it releaded, well we know how a recent release goes with sales anyway.

I honestly thought that nokia would gain some traction with the help it was getting from M$, but they aren't doing much at all it seems.

Sorry, Selnor


wow...after the non-stop negative comments you've made in this thread I thought this one would be positive /s

MS must have have done something bad to you never seen someone sound so butthurt.