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Last night at the Iowa debate, Ron Paul actually made the case for why he should be the next president of the United States and why he is the only republican candidate that can beat Barack Obama, and today on CNN he is getting hammered for it.

Ron Paul actually explained to the people of this country that war against Iran is an insane concept.  Michelle Bachman and the moderator's tried to call his position "dangerous".  The "dangerous" position that Ron Paul of course is endorsing is the ridiculous concept that Iran should be allowed to govern itself without foreign countries trying to dictate and impose their will on them. 

Now I'm no fan of Iran or any of these freak show middle east countries, but jesus christ back off allready.  Iran has zero interest in actually going to war with anyone, they would be anhilitated in days and they know this.  But for some reason the neo-conservative wing of the republican party has decided that war with Iran is the only option.

We have all seen the polls that show Obama beats both Gingrich and Romney in heads up fight (and let's face it Romney and Obama really aren't very different anyways).  But the reason neither of them will be able to beat Obama is they won't be able to pull the independent voters from Obama, but Ron Paul can.  Lot's of independent voters voted for Obama because he said we would end our wars and bring our troops home.  And for a lot of independent voters Obama has failed to live up to their expectations, but if the only choice is Obama vs Gingrich or Romney they'll stick with Obama because at least he is kind of doing it (it's kind of half assed but something is better than nothing). 

We need to wake up as republicans.  We are the party of individual freedoms and the party that believes that the true way to proseperity is the individual liberty of each and every man, because it is only when man has liberty that he is truly free.  Republicans don't believe in government control over the basic tasks in our lives and we don't believe our government should be enforcing it's beliefs on other countries. 

You may not believe in everything Ron Paul stands for but atleast he will be their to defend your right to say it.



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scat398 said:

We need to wake up as republicans.  We are the party of individual freedoms and the party that believes that the true way to proseperity is the individual liberty of each and every man, because it is only when man has liberty that he is truly free.  Republicans don't believe in government control over the basic tasks in our lives and we don't believe our government should be enforcing it's beliefs on other countries. 


What Republican party are you talking about? I guess drug users, homosexuals, non-Christians, etc... don't count. The Republican party as a whole trips up over itself to smother personal liberty. I'm a conservative and the neo-conservatism displayed by the majority of the party turns my stomach. That being said, Ron Paul is an amazing politician who actually embodies the ideals of both true conservatism and those of the founding fathers, I'd vote for him over any other candidate in the entire country. It's a shame the neo-cons will do absolutely everything in their power to prevent Ron Paul from having a shot at the presidency.



Republicans are the party of individual freedoms and the party that believes that the true way to proseperity is the individual liberty of each and every man? that's a lie!

i like Ron Paul, but he speaks for himself, and not his party.



Ron Paul is probably the best candidate considering he would be the only one I would vote for. I have zero party affiliation and I consider most independents able to vote for him instead of Barack. Who ever thinks that independents will flock to the likes of Newt can check themselves into an insane asylum. Ron Paul all the way and I hope he becomes President.



bouzane said:
scat398 said:

We need to wake up as republicans.  We are the party of individual freedoms and the party that believes that the true way to proseperity is the individual liberty of each and every man, because it is only when man has liberty that he is truly free.  Republicans don't believe in government control over the basic tasks in our lives and we don't believe our government should be enforcing it's beliefs on other countries. 


What Republican party are you talking about? I guess drug users, homosexuals, non-Christians, etc... don't count. The Republican party as a whole trips up over itself to smother personal liberty. I'm a conservative and the neo-conservatism displayed by the majority of the party turns my stomach. That being said, Ron Paul is an amazing politician who actually embodies the ideals of both true conservatism and those of the founding fathers, I'd vote for him over any other candidate in the entire country. It's a shame the neo-cons will do absolutely everything in their power to prevent Ron Paul from having a shot at the presidency.

you're preaching to the choir, I hate that neo-cons and what they have twisted our party into.  We already have a party that wants to impose goverment onto every facet of our lives we don't need the Republican party joining those ranks as well. 



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scat398 said:

you're preaching to the choir, I hate that neo-cons and what they have twisted our party into.  We already have a party that wants to impose goverment onto every facet of our lives we don't need the Republican party joining those ranks as well. 


They already did a long time even before the War on Drugs.  Talk about the dumbest "war" to ever try to fight.  If anything the drug war should be youth education and treatment facilities for addicts.



anyone with knowledge of iran, knows they are dangerous. they have a militant religiously fanatical government, have a number of armed groups under their direct control around the region and are part of successful terrorist attacks as far away from iran as argentina.



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MrBubbles said:

anyone with knowledge of iran, knows they are dangerous. they have a militant religiously fanatical government, have a number of armed groups under their direct control around the region and are part of successful terrorist attacks as far away from iran as argentina.


That may be true but America's current war debt will drag the entire nation down and starting another war will shorten the nation's reign as a super power. Warmongering is simply a race to oblivion. The Soviet Union collapsed not because their military was inadequate, but because they allocated far too many resources to war. The same thing is happening to America because those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.



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I don't see why Iran would be a big reason.

Obama seems like he's just as willing to go to war vs Iran as any republican candidate is.

Also, attacking Iran isn't quite as unpopular as you'd think.

"However, asked if the U.S. should take military action if sanctions against Iran to prevent its nuclear weapons program proved to be unsuccessful, 50 percent voted in favor of using military force."