windbane said: superchunk said: windbane said: superchunk said: I don't understand why people keep saying FFXIII is not possible on the Wii. What in the game, that hasn't even been made yet, would make it in capable of working on Wii's hardware? This just doesn't make sense to me. It is just an RPG. Any who, I am really intrigued at what could be on the horizon. Have you seen the screenshots or videos? Those graphics are not possible on the Wii. So, that's it, only graphics. That's bs. Those graphics were not gameplay but pre-rendered that could easily be small videos on Wii. The only problem I would foresee is actual gameplay. That is what is pushing hardware, not videos. What about the gameplay is completely out for Wii. I will have to search the video on FFIII to see if there are any gameplay shots I don't remember, however, I think it is entirely possible. Sure, not as pretty as PS3, but possible. Of course this is entirely up to the contract between Sony and SquareEnix. EDIT: Ok, I saw some of what I think gameplay videos/pics are, yes Wii couldn't do that. So fine, unless SquareEnix completely downgrades the graphics, the main game could not be on Wii. Thank you for looking. @albionus:  There is no evidence what-so-ever that any FF game will sell poorly, no matter what console it is released on.  You greatly underestimate it's power to sell consoles...everywhere, but especially in Japan.   It's just not going to sell poorly.  If there was one game announced that I knew would sell specifically PS3 consoles, it would be FF13.  I'm sure a large majority of current owners will own it, too.

I think you grossly overestimate the ability of any one game (even FF) to move a $600 console.  Shelling out $250 for FF is one thing, $700 something entirely different.  Note I didn't say it will sell poorly, I said it would be the worst selling FF game since FFVII or so which would still make a good selling game overall.  Square expects (or should expect) more from it's FF series than merely selling great on a system that sells poorly.  I understand it may be too late to transfer over to the Wii but I would still expect Square to compensate in one way or another.  We'll see what Square is up to in May. 

One game won't sell systems if the platform doesn't otherwise look viable, at least not at PS3 prices. If the PS3 keeps tracking like this (no reason to expect that to change this year) the PS3 will be Xbox kinds of irelevant in Japan by the time FFXIII is due. What on earth is in it for S-E to fight against that kind of tide? Because they don't think the hair physics will be good enough on Wii? I'm sure their shareholders will be happy with that.

albionus said: windbane said: superchunk said: windbane said: superchunk said: I don't understand why people keep saying FFXIII is not possible on the Wii. What in the game, that hasn't even been made yet, would make it in capable of working on Wii's hardware? This just doesn't make sense to me. It is just an RPG. Any who, I am really intrigued at what could be on the horizon. Have you seen the screenshots or videos? Those graphics are not possible on the Wii. So, that's it, only graphics. That's bs. Those graphics were not gameplay but pre-rendered that could easily be small videos on Wii. The only problem I would foresee is actual gameplay. That is what is pushing hardware, not videos. What about the gameplay is completely out for Wii. I will have to search the video on FFIII to see if there are any gameplay shots I don't remember, however, I think it is entirely possible. Sure, not as pretty as PS3, but possible. Of course this is entirely up to the contract between Sony and SquareEnix. EDIT: Ok, I saw some of what I think gameplay videos/pics are, yes Wii couldn't do that. So fine, unless SquareEnix completely downgrades the graphics, the main game could not be on Wii. Thank you for looking. @albionus: There is no evidence what-so-ever that any FF game will sell poorly, no matter what console it is released on. You greatly underestimate it's power to sell consoles...everywhere, but especially in Japan. It's just not going to sell poorly. If there was one game announced that I knew would sell specifically PS3 consoles, it would be FF13. I'm sure a large majority of current owners will own it, too. I think you grossly overestimate the ability of any one game (even FF) to move a $600 console. Shelling out $250 for FF is one thing, $700 something entirely different. Note I didn't say it will sell poorly, I said it would be the worst selling FF game since FFVII or so which would still make a good selling game overall. Square expects (or should expect) more from it's FF series than merely selling great on a system that sells poorly. I understand it may be too late to transfer over to the Wii but I would still expect Square to compensate in one way or another. We'll see what Square is up to in May.

I'm not sure what you mean because FF7 was the best selling FF game ever. By saying FF13 will be the worst selling since FF7 you are implying that FF7 will have sold worse than FF13. It is not just one game, but it is THE game. There will be plenty of other games that appeal to Japanese gamers by the time FF13 comes out. Also, the PS3 is not $600 in Japan. The last I heard the 20gb version (still produced in Japan) was $430. Most likely there will be a price cut before FF13 anyway. But whatever, you think I overestimate, I think you underestimate.

stewacide: good grief, you don't think there is any reason until the end of the year that may cause the PS3 to pick up sales? I think that's absurd, but ok, I'll let you have that theory.

However, saying the PS3 will be Xbox irrelevant in Japan is pretty funny considering the PS3 has already sold more than both the xbox and 360 combined ever did. Add to that the fact that the PS3 already has a game (Gundam Musou) that has sold more than any Xbox or 360 game ever has in Japan, and I think you'll see that your statement is a bit exagerated at best. But hey, keep dreaming of FF13 on the Wii.

Given how Motorstorm was hyped and how little it seems to have helped the PS3 move hardware, I don't know what software is in the pipeline that could do it.  They need to shave $200 off that price asap to even start competing with the 360, let alone the Wii.

@windbane

Saying product A is the worst selling since product B implies can imply two things, either that product A was the worst selling until product B or that product B is the worst selling product in the line after and including product A.  Granted the first implication is more often used but I figured that since FFVII is obviously the best selling FF ever, it was obvious the second was the implication but I guess not. 

So far the big PS3 games in Japan have barely caused 10-20k bumps in sales so the ability of FFXIII to move millions seems quite debatable.  As to the presence of the $430 PS3, I think FFXIII will, even at its lowest sales levels, far outsell the number of 20GB PS3's in Japan rendering its presence pointless (assuming it isn't discontinued like elsewhere).  The price will probably be lower so I'll correct my original statement and say I think you're grossly overestimating the ability of any game, including FF, to move a $500 system.

I think the PS3 sales will increase as more software comes out and I think FF13 would sell no matter what console it was released on. The worst selling FF game since FF6 was FF12 at 4.94 worldwide. Sunshine, Mario Bros. Melee, and Double Dash sold a million or more than FF12 on a console that did worse than the xbox in worldwide sales. Xbox just had Halo and Halo 2 that sold more than FF12, but they still had those without any Japanese gamers buying them. The N64 had 7 games that sold better than 4.94.

The 2 best selling FF games ever after FF6? The 2 that were the first to release on a console. Judging by how FF13 looks, I see no reason for that trend to stop.

PS:  I would use the word "after" instead of "since" considering the common use of the word since to mean that the object you are talking about surpassed all but the one "since."  Oh well, confusion corrected. 

windbane said: I think the PS3 sales will increase as more software comes out and I think FF13 would sell no matter what console it was released on. The worst selling FF game since FF6 was FF12 at 4.94 worldwide. Sunshine, Mario Bros. Melee, and Double Dash sold a million or more than FF12 on a console that did worse than the xbox in worldwide sales. Xbox just had Halo and Halo 2 that sold more than FF12, but they still had those without any Japanese gamers buying them. The N64 had 7 games that sold better than 4.94. The 2 best selling FF games ever after FF6? The 2 that were the first to release on a console. Judging by how FF13 looks, I see no reason for that trend to stop. PS:  I would use the word "after" instead of "since" considering the common use of the word since to mean that the object you are talking about surpassed all but the one "since."  Oh well, confusion corrected.Â

 ...um, I think the point here is that FF isn't the domineering, must-buy-at-all-cost system-moving franchise some people believe it to be. If FFXII could only manage that level of sales on the world-conquoring PS2, what hope would 13 have on the PS3?!?

With all this Square-Enix talk about bringing back old franchises and recreating classics Square-Enix has me very hopeful that we will see something amazing.

Square-Enix lately said they would be focusing on remaking classic games and restoring past franchises. One of the biggest titles I could see Square announcing would be FinalFantasy7 for the Wii, many were thinking PS3 would see a remake of it but it would make far more sense for Square-Enix to put it on the Wii.

First off a reproduction of FF7 would have major advantages on the Wii, largely the Nintendo loyal fanbase never experianced FF7-12 if they remained loyal to Nintendo's consoles. Nintendo never saw those games released on Nintendo platforms. Secondly its far cheaper to create a Wii game a reproduction could be done fairly cheap and the hardware isn't all that complicated (So I've heard). Thirdly the Wii is outpacing PS3 sales wise all across the globe this would mean a much larger market to target. Lastly the PS3 is going to see FF13 and a port to 360 is plausable but the Wii hasn't seen a core FF game in a long time only spin offs like FF:CC so releasing a classic remake would definatly help them!

Chrono Trigger, ChronoCross didn't do so well on PlayStation but the first ChronoTrigger did amazing on Nintendo's platform. Were likely goin to here about ChronoTrigger being released on Virtual Console maybe we will see a sequal to ChronoCross or a improved remake of ChronoCross make its way to the Wii.

I'm 100% were going to here about Square-Enix's support of the Virtual Console including the announcement of the entire FF1-6 series being re-released on VC as well as games like SuperMarioRPG and ChronoTrigger! Square-Enix can easily port these titles just look how quickly they ported them to GBA!

All in all I expect to here alot of new info on Square-Enix Nintendo projects! 

stewacide said: windbane said: I think the PS3 sales will increase as more software comes out and I think FF13 would sell no matter what console it was released on. The worst selling FF game since FF6 was FF12 at 4.94 worldwide. Sunshine, Mario Bros. Melee, and Double Dash sold a million or more than FF12 on a console that did worse than the xbox in worldwide sales. Xbox just had Halo and Halo 2 that sold more than FF12, but they still had those without any Japanese gamers buying them. The N64 had 7 games that sold better than 4.94. The 2 best selling FF games ever after FF6? The 2 that were the first to release on a console. Judging by how FF13 looks, I see no reason for that trend to stop. PS: I would use the word "after" instead of "since" considering the common use of the word since to mean that the object you are talking about surpassed all but the one "since." Oh well, confusion corrected. ...um, I think the point here is that FF isn't the domineering, must-buy-at-all-cost system-moving franchise some people believe it to be. If FFXII could only manage that level of sales on the world-conquoring PS2, what hope would 13 have on the PS3?!?

Did you even read what I said? 4.94 million still puts FF12 in the top 80 all-time in sales, ahead of games such as Tomb Raider 2, Dragon Quest 7 and 8, Yoshi Island, and Gears of War just to name a few. You make it sound like the PS3 will make it SO HARD to sell, when I named a bunch of games that sold more than FF12 for 3 systems that got dominated the last 2 generations. I was saying that there is a good chance albionus will be wrong that FF13 will be the worst selling FF game after FF7.

And let me say this again: The 2 best selling FF games ever after FF6? The 2 that were the first to release on a console.

You say: "I think the point here is that FF isn't the domineering, must-buy-at-all-cost system-moving franchise some people believe it to be." What evidence do you have to support that? FFX sold more than Halo 2! FF7 sold more than both and Gran Turismo 2 and 4, New Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Kart (wow), Donkey Kong Country, and the list goes on. I'm not sure how you can say that and not be completely kidding. I hope you were.

Edit: "Squaresoft was once an all-Nintendo publisher, giving the company its valued Final Fantasy series exclusively. Once Square jumped ship and ran to Sony and its lovely CD format, the console war was already over."  That is the power of Final Fantasy, and that is why I became a Sony fan (was a big NES/SNES fan). http://www.gamesradar.com/us/wii/game/features/article.jsp?articleId=2007040911262588028&releaseId=20060308165433320026&sectionId=1003&pageId=2007040912232261074

Well that was a bust as far as the whole "Nintendo fans will be really excited!" thing went. Every new game shown was for PS3 or PSP.