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johnsobas said:
 

How can anyone honestly look at this and say they are gonna make a net profit. It's beyond the realm of possibility, it's impossible. From 2001-2006 Sony made 236 billion yen on the most dominant system of all time, they've currently lost 358 billion on the PS3. Someone explain to me how they are gonna make all that money up? That 358 billion yen in losses doesn't even include how the PS2 and PSP sales were offsetting it the whole time. Get off the crack and just admit it.

 


The 236 billion yen they made didn't including their cost and losses but profit. If I am not mistaken they were losing on the PS2 at first as well. Then again a lot of the PS3 losses probably includes Blu-Ray losses/ investment.



Although this page of this thread is broken [for me it shows the first post with the quick reply box over the top] I can read it using the rich text replies. I imagine I would agree with much of JLs post [no way in hell I am reading it all] but I want to point out that, depending on how you class the first year, PS3 did manage more than 360. 360 from 22Nov 2005 to 31Dec 2006 sold about 7.8 million, which is one million less than PS3 managed from its sporadic 2006/7 launch till 31Dec 2007.



Rakusa, even PS3 fanboys could see you don't have a clue what you are talking about...jesus...I feel for you NJ5, you really tried hard, this guy just doesn't get it. He probably never will, his blind faith for the PS3 won't allow him believe factual evidence that completely destroys his made-up rants. I suggest you learn what you are talking about, because the majority of people who frequent this forum do, so most people aren't going to take you seriously here, where as I am sure on other forums you could just spew BS, while coming across as knowing what you are talking about...they just didn't know better there.



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I think a more important question is raised by the topic , does Sony really need to make profit of the PS3 ? considering the huge contribution it'll have to the rest of Sony's product portfolio and Blu-Ray , i'd see breaking even as a huge success.




If that was the case, they should have made specs closer to that of the 360, have $100 cheaper price launch, and probably be in a much better position now, with the same impact (if not greater) on Sony's blu-ray industry.

Of course hind sight is 20-20.

I am more concerned with what Sony is going to do with the PS3's sequal. Either it is going to be very expensive again, or it is going to need to be launched very late...



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Once again though...it is hard to measure the true losses. If blu-ray is very successful in the future, that will be because of the ps3. However, that won't be included in the ps3's #'s. Also, how much does the ps3 help Sony's other departments? e.g. HD tv's, etc.?
As I said, it's the only reason I bought my Sony HD tv. W/O my ps3, I wouldn't have bothered going HD or even getting a Sony if I did (probably would have gotten a Samsung or Toshiba)

Good point.

Isn't the 3 billion losses from both the PS3 and the Blu-ray combine? Obviously PS3 is designed to be used to play HD movies and game since from what I've read PS3 have of the best Blu-ray player unlike PS2 average DVD player.

Also according to many Wii fans here the PS3 will have a long life of 20-50 years. If people really don't care about HD then PS3 (xbox360) is all you would ever need to run games in 480p (more like overkill). So there would be no need for a next generation PS. (All it needed is a different controller every five years.)

The thing is Nintendo is all about games and nothing else (many sees this as a good point) but Sony isn't all about games but also movies, HDTV , Blu-ray,etc.

 


Not that I dispute this line of thinking, but I was wondering if any one had (or had a link to) some statistics as to the percentage of blu-ray hardware sales by model. I looked around but couldn't find any.

@Bod: Well, you DO have to take in to account server costs and the like, but even if that is 40 mil/year (way to high) thats still 200 mil in profit.


 I am taking that into account. Both Sony and Microsoft have to pay for servers, so that's a wash. What I'm saying is: Microsoft and Sony make (and spend) money in the exact same ways in regards to the internet; both have servers they need to pay for, both make money through DLC, both provide demoes to push software. There is exactly one financial thing that XBL does than PSN does not, and that is cost 4 dollars a month to simply exist.

So if we're going to strike 40 million dollars off of Microsoft, we need to strike 40 million off of Sony, too.  



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I am taking that into account. Both Sony and Microsoft have to pay for servers, so that's a wash. What I'm saying is: Microsoft and Sony make (and spend) money in the exact same ways in regards to the internet; both have servers they need to pay for, both make money through DLC, both provide demoes to push software. There is exactly one financial thing that XBL does than PSN does not, and that is cost 4 dollars a month to simply exist.

So if we're going to strike 40 million dollars off of Microsoft, we need to strike 40 million off of Sony, too.


Well, if we want to get that specific it should be said that Microsoft probably needs more servers than Sony, for two reasons:

1- Larger userbase

2- MS hosts the servers for every single 360 game, unlike Sony which leaves it to third parties to host their own servers for their games. I may be wrong on this but I think it's correct.

However, Microsoft has quite a lot of experience in servers, and they can likely use datacenters more efficiently since they have servers for many things other than gaming. If I had to guess, I'd say that Xbox Live should have a quite good profit margin.

Of course, it'd be too hard to do a proper analysis of this without more knowledge of Sony and MS's operations, so let's just say that Microsoft surely makes more money from their online offerings than Sony does, and that this gap will surely get larger as the PS3/360 userbases get larger as you said in another post.

 



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