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Will online play be charged on ps4?

Yes 108 47.79%
 
No 98 43.36%
 
I don't bother 20 8.85%
 
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Seece said:
x_DMX_x said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:
They won't charge for online gaming. Seems 360 fans haven't known this for a while, but PSN already has an answer for paid subscription of Gold and that is called as PS +.

Common sense tells you that they won't charge for online game play. And no, there is no "service offered" when you are playing online. You are using the devs servers and your own internet connection when playing online.

'Common sense'? Huh?

Common sense sauys they could and should, they're a business, and they're throwing money down the drain by not doing so. They don't offer PSN to you for free because they love you, they do it because this generation to be on par with XBL they needed too.

PSN+ doesn't generate near the same amount as XBL. Nowhere near.


I hope you know by the time PSVita and PS4 release.PSN is already going to offer the same or maybe even more of what LIVE offers lol.So they're will be no point of paying for LIVE.

You can tell the future then? PSN will improve, but so will XBL, online is in MS's DNA, it's incredibly unlikely PSN will ever surpass XBL in quality.



thats already happened... like 2 years ago.

anyway, im guessing he's talking about the one and only thing xbox live has that psn doesnt, which is crossgame chat. which the Vita will have, and for FREE.

edit: and i hardly consider allowing you to use your own internet connection (which you already pay for) a service.



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Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

The ridiculous example is just as ridiculous as charging for online gaming.

No it isn't, regardless of what you think, MS DO offer a service.

Sony already charges for something else on their PSN, called PS+.

You said that about two posts ago, I already responded to that.

Tell me this, how will Sony explain why they are charging for online gaming when they didn't for the last two gen?

Sony have had to explain far worse, if they can get up their and say $599 on stage, they can very easily charge for online when Microsoft has been doing it for years.

Online gaming is actually becoming cheaper as time goes.



I don't consider $599 worse. And lets see, I don't think they want to keep making mistakes anyway.

$599, Online Hacking, No games, it's all bad press but Sony charging for online, they're lucky in that they would get very little flack thanks to MS. Explaining it would be very easy, especially if they charge a lower rate (which I'm almost sure they will.)

PS Vita has free online as well. A next gen handheld. Sure you could say its a handheld, but....hey. They could have tried charging for it.

It's a handheld.

And you think MS offers a "service" for online gaming.......

No, I know they do.

you realize the exact same service is available for free on Gfwl?
 

Microsoft themselves are offering it to you for free on another platform.

 

Yup, what's your point? Because it's free on one platform it's not a service?



The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS. Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS. MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.



mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

The ridiculous example is just as ridiculous as charging for online gaming.

No it isn't, regardless of what you think, MS DO offer a service.

Sony already charges for something else on their PSN, called PS+.

You said that about two posts ago, I already responded to that.

Tell me this, how will Sony explain why they are charging for online gaming when they didn't for the last two gen?

Sony have had to explain far worse, if they can get up their and say $599 on stage, they can very easily charge for online when Microsoft has been doing it for years.

Online gaming is actually becoming cheaper as time goes.



I don't consider $599 worse. And lets see, I don't think they want to keep making mistakes anyway.

$599, Online Hacking, No games, it's all bad press but Sony charging for online, they're lucky in that they would get very little flack thanks to MS. Explaining it would be very easy, especially if they charge a lower rate (which I'm almost sure they will.)

PS Vita has free online as well. A next gen handheld. Sure you could say its a handheld, but....hey. They could have tried charging for it.

It's a handheld.

And you think MS offers a "service" for online gaming.......

No, I know they do.

you realize the exact same service is available for free on Gfwl?
 

Microsoft themselves are offering it to you for free on another platform.

 

Yup, what's your point? Because it's free on one platform it's not a service?



The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS.

Really wrong, actually factually wrong. XBL is a service, MS made the online, without XBL as a service, good luck playing online full stop on you xbox with just an ISP.

Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS.

Yes it is.

MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.

They offer a lot through gold (besides online gaming), but you obviously know very little about that.





 

mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

The ridiculous example is just as ridiculous as charging for online gaming.

No it isn't, regardless of what you think, MS DO offer a service.

Sony already charges for something else on their PSN, called PS+.

You said that about two posts ago, I already responded to that.

Tell me this, how will Sony explain why they are charging for online gaming when they didn't for the last two gen?

Sony have had to explain far worse, if they can get up their and say $599 on stage, they can very easily charge for online when Microsoft has been doing it for years.

Online gaming is actually becoming cheaper as time goes.



I don't consider $599 worse. And lets see, I don't think they want to keep making mistakes anyway.

$599, Online Hacking, No games, it's all bad press but Sony charging for online, they're lucky in that they would get very little flack thanks to MS. Explaining it would be very easy, especially if they charge a lower rate (which I'm almost sure they will.)

PS Vita has free online as well. A next gen handheld. Sure you could say its a handheld, but....hey. They could have tried charging for it.

It's a handheld.

And you think MS offers a "service" for online gaming.......

No, I know they do.

you realize the exact same service is available for free on Gfwl?
 

Microsoft themselves are offering it to you for free on another platform.

 

Yup, what's your point? Because it's free on one platform it's not a service?



The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS. Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS. MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.



Just wanted to say XBL is definitely a service. It's the entity that connects Xbox consoles around the world & provides consumers with pretty cool features. Should it be free? That's up for debate.

Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS.

Really wrong, actually factually wrong. XBL is a service, MS made the online, without XBL as a service, good luck playing online full stop on you xbox with just an ISP.

Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS.

Yes it is.

MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.

They offer a lot through gold (besides online gaming), but you obviously know very little about that.



OF course I can't.

MS has locked your online game play in the OS itself, of course you need XBL to play online. Ask yourself this, do you need a service to play online? Have you played online on PC? So many games don't need a central hub like PSN or steam or XBL to play online. F2P games are a good example as well, and they definitely incur more expenses than MS does in providing online gaming to you.

This is the reason why GFWL is free right now. It couldn't monopolize itself like it has on Xbox. With the xbox 360 MS now has a platform where there is no competition in the platform itself, and hence can afford to put a price on online gaming.

If steam was to generate heavy losses, they will most certainly generate even more losses if they were to charge for online gaming. Because steam doesn't do anything when you game online, except for the extra features like achievements.

And why does it matter if something is a handheld, online gaming is still online gaming, it still is the same concept.



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Jay520 said:
mantlepiecek said:

The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS. Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS. MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.



Just wanted to say XBL is definitely a service. It's the entity that connects Xbox consoles around the world & provides consumers with pretty cool features. Should it be free? That's up for debate.

I wasn't talking about XBL. I was talking about online gaming. Its a service provided to you by your ISP, not MS. Also the devs. XBL is a service provided to you by MS.



Seeing how large PSN has become and it's growth it's likely to become a paid service.. someone will pay for the security, maintance, bandwidth, r&d, etc for it... and I don't think Sony will be picking up that bill..



 

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Jay520 said:
mantlepiecek said:

The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS. Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS. MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.



Just wanted to say XBL is definitely a service. It's the entity that connects Xbox consoles around the world & provides consumers with pretty cool features. Should it be free? That's up for debate.

Indeed, as a business decision it's sound to charge, as a consumer (well I'm not really bothered) but I can totally see how many don't like it or agree with it.

But yeah, it is a service, I'm pretty much done arguing with this guy though, if Sony had any sense about them they would charge next gen, because they can, and they need the money. Common sense.



 

Seece said:
Jay520 said:
mantlepiecek said:

The service offered to you during online gaming is entirely by your ISP, not MS. Its a fact that you are ignoring since a long time in this thread. Other services they offer like achievement etc they offer it for free. Cross game chat is also very less taxing on MS when it comes to servers etc.

So yes, its not a service offered by MS. MS doesn't have anything to do with your online play except for exclusives.



Just wanted to say XBL is definitely a service. It's the entity that connects Xbox consoles around the world & provides consumers with pretty cool features. Should it be free? That's up for debate.

Indeed, as a business decision it's sound to charge, as a consumer (well I'm not really bothered) but I can totally see how many don't like it or agree with it.

But yeah, it is a service, I'm pretty much done arguing with this guy though, if Sony had any sense about them they would charge next gen, because they can, and they need the money. Common sense.

and Playstation gamers will pay for it...... yeah how bout no, M$ only charges for Live because Xbox gamers will pay for it, Sony can wrap up next gen for sure if they even consider chargeing for online gaming

like others have said, online will remain free, and plus will get better



d21lewis said:
Selling their console at a loss, giving the consumer free online, free games (Free Realms, DCU Online, etc.), buying game studios and putting out quality exclusives, internet browsers, Blu Ray, download sharing, etc.--giving the consumer everything they could ask for has done NOTHING to help Sony.

Nintendo gives a half ass online service on a weaker system makes money like crazy.
Microsoft charges for online, lets third parties run rampant and unchecked and their system makes money like crazy.

Sony had better charge for online. In fact, Sony had better run their business like a fucking business instead of pandering to people who
a) don't buy their games
b) take advantage of their file sharing set up
c) use their services free of charge (Home, etc.)

Sony fans boast about features but don't support the company with money like Nintendo and Microsoft's fanbase. Sony needs to stop being polite and start getting real.

This is so true.

Either SONY are incredibely generous or incredibly stupid. Personally I think it's a mix of the two.