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dunno about that, i think at the end of this year the gap will be back at about 3million, then the ps3 should outsell the xbox by about one million or less next year and then after that who knows,



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d21lewis said:
There was a movie called Rocky that came out in the 70's, I think. Sylvester Stallone played this Itallian guy thay went up against boxing's heavyweight champ. Nobody expected Rocky to win. It all climaxed in an epic battle in the middle of the ring.

In the end, the reigning champ won, but barely. You would think Rocky would have been destroyed but he held his own. It was a loss for Rocky but a moral victory, too.

Man, I loved that movie.

clever



Seece said:
S____M____C____C said:
Seece said:
ethomaz said:
Mad55 said:
really? i mean getting second place when another race starts doesnt mean much.

Well... Sony is just growing in market share before the new generation start... for now this is the best they can do after the previous huge profitable last generation.

Microsoft is just profiting now before the new generation because the they need profit now after the huge loses in previous generation.

Seems fine to me... both company's goal.

Wrong. Sony didn't have huge profits last generation, Nintendo beat them and Sony has managed to wipe nearly all PS1/PS2 profits away.

Xbox losses are bad, but Microsoft have officially written them off, so no they're not aiming to recover them, they obviously just want a steady stream of profit in this division.

What source states that Sony didn't make huge profits from the PS2, and states that the Gamecube made more profit? Although you may well be correct, I find this hard to believe, especially when you take software and software royalties into account. 

And I don't believe you can 'write off' a loss, althought I'm not qualified to say so.

Their financials?? The Gamecube era saw Nintendo pass 1B profit twice and come close to it twice (fical years), Sony never passed 1B profit through the PS2 generation, and most years were closer to 500M than 1B. Again talking fiscal years here.

And I believe MS did write it off, as an investment or something, I don't know will have to look it up.

MS didnt write off anything. A loss in a particular division just offsets profits in another.  XYZ company makes 1 million in 1 portion of business and loses 500K in another portion of the business means the XYZ only made 500K and they pay taxes on the 500K.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

I blame Kevin Butler



thx1139 said:
Seece said:
S____M____C____C said:
Seece said:
ethomaz said:
Mad55 said:
really? i mean getting second place when another race starts doesnt mean much.

Well... Sony is just growing in market share before the new generation start... for now this is the best they can do after the previous huge profitable last generation.

Microsoft is just profiting now before the new generation because the they need profit now after the huge loses in previous generation.

Seems fine to me... both company's goal.

Wrong. Sony didn't have huge profits last generation, Nintendo beat them and Sony has managed to wipe nearly all PS1/PS2 profits away.

Xbox losses are bad, but Microsoft have officially written them off, so no they're not aiming to recover them, they obviously just want a steady stream of profit in this division.

What source states that Sony didn't make huge profits from the PS2, and states that the Gamecube made more profit? Although you may well be correct, I find this hard to believe, especially when you take software and software royalties into account. 

And I don't believe you can 'write off' a loss, althought I'm not qualified to say so.

Their financials?? The Gamecube era saw Nintendo pass 1B profit twice and come close to it twice (fical years), Sony never passed 1B profit through the PS2 generation, and most years were closer to 500M than 1B. Again talking fiscal years here.

And I believe MS did write it off, as an investment or something, I don't know will have to look it up.

MS didnt write off anything. A loss in a particular division just offsets profits in another.  XYZ company makes 1 million in 1 portion of business and loses 500K in another portion of the business means the XYZ only made 500K and they pay taxes on the 500K.

MS absolutely did "write off" the warranty extension costs due to RROD.  It was a smart move, although they should have been more open and responded more quickly, taking a lot longer than they should have to admit the issue.

Here's some coverage from around the event:

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/58422.html

http://hlime.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/xbox-360-3-year-red-ring-of-death-warranty-enhancement/

The write off was basically taking a one time hit for the estimated costs of RROD as while large it was small enough to be covered by their overall revenue and profits and this allowed MS to show profits much earlier for 360 than would otherwise have been the case.  Writing off the charge basically means taking your lumps up front and being done with it.  If they hadn't the cost of covering RROD would have been spread out longer and would have held back when they could claim profitabilty for the 360.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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scat398 said:
Good to see the PS3 is selling strong, it lost badly this generation but if it can keep some strong sales for the next couple of years it can at least help support sony as it brings out the PS4.


I don't think their can be a winner until this gen is over.

THE RACE CONTINUES!!!



kowenicki said:
lol... excellent analysis.

basically... the guy can add up and has wrapped an entire, rather pointless, article around a sum.

it's IGN, I have no idea why they still exist anymore *facepalm*



ethomaz said:
Mad55 said:
really? i mean getting second place when another race starts doesnt mean much.

Well... Sony is just growing in market share before the new generation start... for now this is the best they can do after the previous huge profitable last generation.

Microsoft is just profiting now before the new generation because the they need profit now after the huge loses in previous generation.

Seems fine to me... both company's goal.

I agree with you completely its just that people cant really be to proud of sony passing microsoft once the next gen starts can they? Seems better to just be happy their doing good in general. 



as many members already said, we've kinda expected this to happen(though I didn't at first)

but I hope this doesn't take away from the success the 360 this gen; more than double the consoles from the previous gen and will likely end near triple of what the original xbox did.



Reasonable said:
Train wreck said:
sales2099 said:
Reasonable said:
sales2099 said:
Its Japan and Japan alone. Without it Sony would have never caught up.


It's US and US alone.  Without it MS would never have taken the lead...

See, this kind of argument is essentially meaningless when used with bias.


360 has NA. Sony has EMEAA. Both essentially cancel eachother out. 

Japan is the only thing that allowed Sony to close the gap year after year. That sir, aint bias. 

If EA and NA cancel each other out, then both systems would be even in the end.  MS would not have a NA advantage.  Bad logic is bad.

You beat me to it!

Sales2099... by bias I mean you can't position an argument like that one way - it goes both way depending upon which way you state it.  You simply positioned it from MS/360 perspective which is flawed.


Very well. Then how about this. 

"It's US and US alone.  Without it MS would never have taken the lead...

See, this kind of argument is essentially meaningless when used with bias."

You see at least Sony has a decent presence in NA where as 360 doesn't even come close in Japan.

You point would have merit if PS3 sold as much as 360 does in Japan. 



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