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RolStoppable said:
Legend11 said:
GTAIV by a lot. I can't believe some people honestly think SSBB will sell more, LOL.


The last time you said this, I suggested a bet for lifetime sales and you backed out. Also, if you would have that much faith in GTAIV, you would have been willing to bet SSBB vs. GTAIV 360 version only. But you even rejected SSBB vs. both versions.

You were also laughing that people were saying that Super Mario Galaxy would manage to have higher lifetime sales than Halo 3. You were calling Galaxy a flop after first week sales, you created at least two troll topics to bash Galaxy. But how do you think now about the idea that Galaxy will beat Halo 3? Galaxy is showing enormous legs, while Halo 3 is mostly living off of its big opening week. Galaxy will eventually overtake Halo 3.

GTAIV vs. Brawl will be similar. GTAIV will have bigger first week sales, but SSBB will have the much better legs, eventually overtaking the combined sales of both GTAIV versions. Why am I so sure about this? Because the videogames market is currently making a transition and will soon become synonymous with Nintendo again. Nintendo's franchises will reclaim enormous popularity and sell ridiculous amounts of copies. And what's SSBB? A compilation of Nintendo's biggest franchises, a game with characters recognized by pretty much everyone. This game is going to sell for a very long time.

The bet: SSBB lifetime sales will be higher than the lifetime sales of GTAIV for 360 and PS3 combined. The loser will be banned for a month and will have to keep the outcome of this bet in his signature forever.

After at most two years of both games being on the market it should be possible to draw a clear conclusion which of the games is going to end up with higher lifetime sales. So once it can be said for certain which game is going to sell more in the end, the bet comes due. 


How much competition did Halo 3 have?  First person shooters like Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, The Orange Box, etc... What did Galaxy have for competition on the Wii?  Umm....... I'm drawing the blank...  The competition is very fierce on the 360 for hardcore games.  On the Wii there're like one or two big hardcore games released every 6 months if that.  And it's the same for SSBB, basically there will only be a few games to even compete with it (SMK comes to mind) while on the 360 and PS3 GTAIV is going to have to face many expensive high quality first, second, and third party titles. 

Betting on lifetime sales is ridiculous because we won't find out the outcome for years.  So I tell you what, lets make a real man's bet...  6 or 8 month sales.. You decide..  And of course we have to up the stakes for real men.. LIFETIME ban for the loser.  It doesn't matter if the loser makes up a new account because there will still be the satisfaction of knowing that they were owned out of their previous one.  So what do you say?  6 months? 8?

And no worries if you don't want to take the bet, sometimes people talk the talk but don't want to walk the walk.  I have no doubts that GTAIV will outsell SSBB, none.



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Legend11 said:
 

How much competition did Halo 3 have? First person shooters like Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, The Orange Box, etc... What did Galaxy have for competition on the Wii? Umm....... I'm drawing the blank... The competition is very fierce on the 360 for hardcore games. On the Wii there're like one or two big hardcore games released every 6 months if that. And it's the same for SSBB, basically there will only be a few games to even compete with it (SMK comes to mind) while on the 360 and PS3 GTAIV is going to have to face many expensive high quality first, second, and third party titles.

Betting on lifetime sales is ridiculous because we won't find out the outcome for years. So I tell you what, lets make a real man's bet... 6 or 8 month sales.. You decide.. And of course we have to up the stakes for real men.. LIFETIME ban for the loser. It doesn't matter if the loser makes up a new account because there will still be the satisfaction of knowing that they were owned out of their previous one. So what do you say? 6 months? 8?

And no worries if you don't want to take the bet, sometimes people talk the talk but don't want to walk the walk. I have no doubts that GTAIV will outsell SSBB, none.


6 or 8 months is nothing next to lifetime sales for a game which has good legs. By using a timeframe like that, you're obviously skewing the bet to your own advantage (even if you have a good reason for not using lifetime sales, which you do).

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

Combined it might be GTA by a small margin

 

Wii's demographics are wider than the 360 and PS3, so we can't be certain how many of the Wii's userbase will be interested in smash, however since 360 and PS3 are only popular with a small group, a group that will have many GTA fans in it, it's likely that many PS3 and 360 owners will buy one



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

i'll bet u lifetime ban that 2-year sales of ALL of the following will beat 2-year sales of GTAIV on 360+ps3 combined:

wii play
wii fit
galaxy
smash bros
mario kart

 

if ANY of those don't beat gtaIV 2 consoles combined, then I lose...

 also, it's 2 years from start of each region, so 2 years from launch in japan + 2 years from launch in others + 2 years from launch in Americas



Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08.  Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)

Predictions:

Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07  CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp

I think gta 4 will sell more with both consoles but ssbb will sell more than gta on one console. does that make sense.



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Legend11 said:
RolStoppable said:
Legend11 said:
GTAIV by a lot. I can't believe some people honestly think SSBB will sell more, LOL.


The last time you said this, I suggested a bet for lifetime sales and you backed out. Also, if you would have that much faith in GTAIV, you would have been willing to bet SSBB vs. GTAIV 360 version only. But you even rejected SSBB vs. both versions.

You were also laughing that people were saying that Super Mario Galaxy would manage to have higher lifetime sales than Halo 3. You were calling Galaxy a flop after first week sales, you created at least two troll topics to bash Galaxy. But how do you think now about the idea that Galaxy will beat Halo 3? Galaxy is showing enormous legs, while Halo 3 is mostly living off of its big opening week. Galaxy will eventually overtake Halo 3.

GTAIV vs. Brawl will be similar. GTAIV will have bigger first week sales, but SSBB will have the much better legs, eventually overtaking the combined sales of both GTAIV versions. Why am I so sure about this? Because the videogames market is currently making a transition and will soon become synonymous with Nintendo again. Nintendo's franchises will reclaim enormous popularity and sell ridiculous amounts of copies. And what's SSBB? A compilation of Nintendo's biggest franchises, a game with characters recognized by pretty much everyone. This game is going to sell for a very long time.

The bet: SSBB lifetime sales will be higher than the lifetime sales of GTAIV for 360 and PS3 combined. The loser will be banned for a month and will have to keep the outcome of this bet in his signature forever.

After at most two years of both games being on the market it should be possible to draw a clear conclusion which of the games is going to end up with higher lifetime sales. So once it can be said for certain which game is going to sell more in the end, the bet comes due.


How much competition did Halo 3 have? First person shooters like Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, The Orange Box, etc... What did Galaxy have for competition on the Wii? Umm....... I'm drawing the blank... The competition is very fierce on the 360 for hardcore games. On the Wii there're like one or two big hardcore games released every 6 months if that. And it's the same for SSBB, basically there will only be a few games to even compete with it (SMK comes to mind) while on the 360 and PS3 GTAIV is going to have to face many expensive high quality first, second, and third party titles.

Betting on lifetime sales is ridiculous because we won't find out the outcome for years. So I tell you what, lets make a real man's bet... 6 or 8 month sales.. You decide.. And of course we have to up the stakes for real men.. LIFETIME ban for the loser. It doesn't matter if the loser makes up a new account because there will still be the satisfaction of knowing that they were owned out of their previous one. So what do you say? 6 months? 8?

And no worries if you don't want to take the bet, sometimes people talk the talk but don't want to walk the walk. I have no doubts that GTAIV will outsell SSBB, none.


After I posted this:

SSBB will sell more units lifetime than GTAIV for 360 and PS3 combined. 

you said:

GTAIV by a lot. I can't believe some people honestly think SSBB will sell more, LOL.

Emphasis on a lot. Which means no matter what the legs of SSBB would be, GTAIV would still win.

True, there's the possibility we couldn't find out for years which game is going to sell more, but the comparison between Halo 3 and SMG shows that it's possible to draw conclusions pretty early on whether or not it's possible for a game with legs to outsell the game with the strong opening week.

The real men talk doesn't bother me, I made it pretty clear right from the start that I want to bet on lifetime sales in this thread and in the last one. Just like the last time you try to back out. If you have no doubts that GTAIV will outsell SSBB, none, then that obviously should mean that you are certain that GTAIV is going to beat SSBB also in the long run. So if you really believe in what you say, you wouldn't have a problem to bet on lifetime sales. So are you man enough to take the bet?

The bet: SSBB lifetime sales will be higher than the lifetime sales of GTAIV for 360 and PS3 combined. The loser will be banned for a month and will have to keep the outcome of this bet in his signature forever.

After at most two years of both games being on the market it should be possible to draw a clear conclusion which of the games is going to end up with higher lifetime sales. So once it can be said for certain which game is going to sell more in the end, the bet comes due. 



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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I still think waiting 2 years is too long to wait to find out who wins a bet, but I'll take the bet anyways. First week, first month, third month, sixth month, would have been far more interesting bets since we'd at least find out this year who wins.



segajon said:
I think gta 4 will sell more with both consoles but ssbb will sell more than gta on one console. does that make sense.

I think the fact that the last main GTA game sold combined sales of 17.09 million (excluding PC) and the last SSB game sold 6.58 million would lead most people to the same conclusion.



GTAIV is going to destroy Brawl's sales, this is absurd. Nintendomination = LOL. Dominate all they like, still not outselling GTAIV.



Brawl will easiely beat PS3's GTAIV but won't beat 360's. Combined no way in hell.