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mjk45 on 17 November 2011
yo_john117 said:
Man if GT5 is overtracked like that in EMEAA people are going to freak.

But really I want to see what other (more knowledgeable) people have to say about this.

you saying I"m dumb , I'll have you know I have a wonderful edumacation ,spent years playing truant in the best pool halls.



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Moren on 17 November 2011

**Waits for Ethomaz to spin this into GT5 being undertracked by 2 million**



_mevildan on 17 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
enrageorange said:
Michael-5 said:
mjk45 said:
I think your forgetting the middle east they seem to have gotten behind the PS3 also NDP only tracks NA where as Vgchartz is Americas as to Polophony I will leave that to ethmoza .

NDP only tracks USA, not Canada. VGC include Brazil, Mexico, and many other regions for it's Americas number. However a while ago I read that 87% of the Americas sales are contributed to US sales, and I would assume 8.7% contribute to Canada (1/10th the population).

As for EMEAA, not only did the OP forget the middle east, but they also forgot Africa. In the Middle East, Africa and Asia territory, there are 5 million PS3's and 3 million 360's. 600k for GT5 or Halo off 5 or 3 million consoles is very doable.

That and VGC now track Halo Reach digital sales from the bundle, NDP doesn't include those numbers.

by asia I meant most of the middle east as well which  polyphony includes as part of their asia numbers. As for Africa I have no idea if they would be included under Asia or Europe but either way there is no way Africa is such a signifcant portion of EMEAA.

The population of Africa is 1 billion people. The number of console gamers there likely exceeds the Middle East. I remember when Halo 3 came out, they had a world map and stars representing clusters of gamers. Most gamers were east/west coast USA/Canada, and there were a lot in Western Europe. However outside of NA and EU, the only places I remember seeing stars were Africa (South Africa and Tanzania), Brazil, and a little bit in Japan.

I said earlier, if US is 87% of Americas, and Canada is 8.7%, then there is still 8.3% of Americas sales contributed to South America. I wouldn't think Africas software sales are any different then South Americas. So if Halo Reach sold 7 million in Americas, this corresponds to 600k sales in South America, which correspond to 600k sales in Africa, which....is magically almost exactly the missing amount from your data.

You might be skeptical that Africa gets as many console sales as South America, but believe me, I've been to Tanzania, it's not as rural as you think. Also unlike Brazil, consoles aren't heavily taxed (a 360 now is still a $600 system there), so even if there are less gamers in South Africa and the east coast, more are able to buy the games.

Video games are quite popular in South Africa. How many numbers in sales that translates to... not sure. But we have dedicated games retailers here, with midnight launches for bigger games and such things. We get offical ranked servers for the big FPSs etc. If that means anything.

PC gaming is especially huge here. RPGs, racing games and shooters seem to me the most popular. Between X360, PS3, Wii... it seems to me that more people own Xboxes, but PS3 games sell more (i'll let you figure out why). Basing that on what I see on popular online retailers. Wii popularity... not sure (i've got one though).

Also, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed are very popular titles here. Halo... not so much.

All just my experience, but there you go.



atma998 on 17 November 2011
morenoingrato said:
**Waits for Ethomaz to spin this into GT5 being undertracked by 2 million**

lol

@OP You're saying GT5 is overtracked? Prepare yourself...



Michael-5 on 17 November 2011
_mevildan said:
Michael-5 said:
enrageorange said:
Michael-5 said:
mjk45 said:
I think your forgetting the middle east they seem to have gotten behind the PS3 also NDP only tracks NA where as Vgchartz is Americas as to Polophony I will leave that to ethmoza .

NDP only tracks USA, not Canada. VGC include Brazil, Mexico, and many other regions for it's Americas number. However a while ago I read that 87% of the Americas sales are contributed to US sales, and I would assume 8.7% contribute to Canada (1/10th the population).

As for EMEAA, not only did the OP forget the middle east, but they also forgot Africa. In the Middle East, Africa and Asia territory, there are 5 million PS3's and 3 million 360's. 600k for GT5 or Halo off 5 or 3 million consoles is very doable.

That and VGC now track Halo Reach digital sales from the bundle, NDP doesn't include those numbers.

by asia I meant most of the middle east as well which  polyphony includes as part of their asia numbers. As for Africa I have no idea if they would be included under Asia or Europe but either way there is no way Africa is such a signifcant portion of EMEAA.

The population of Africa is 1 billion people. The number of console gamers there likely exceeds the Middle East. I remember when Halo 3 came out, they had a world map and stars representing clusters of gamers. Most gamers were east/west coast USA/Canada, and there were a lot in Western Europe. However outside of NA and EU, the only places I remember seeing stars were Africa (South Africa and Tanzania), Brazil, and a little bit in Japan.

I said earlier, if US is 87% of Americas, and Canada is 8.7%, then there is still 8.3% of Americas sales contributed to South America. I wouldn't think Africas software sales are any different then South Americas. So if Halo Reach sold 7 million in Americas, this corresponds to 600k sales in South America, which correspond to 600k sales in Africa, which....is magically almost exactly the missing amount from your data.

You might be skeptical that Africa gets as many console sales as South America, but believe me, I've been to Tanzania, it's not as rural as you think. Also unlike Brazil, consoles aren't heavily taxed (a 360 now is still a $600 system there), so even if there are less gamers in South Africa and the east coast, more are able to buy the games.

Video games are quite popular in South Africa. How many numbers in sales that translates to... not sure. But we have dedicated games retailers here, with midnight launches for bigger games and such things. We get offical ranked servers for the big FPSs etc. If that means anything.

PC gaming is especially huge here. RPGs, racing games and shooters seem to me the most popular. Between X360, PS3, Wii... it seems to me that more people own Xboxes, but PS3 games sell more (i'll let you figure out why). Basing that on what I see on popular online retailers. Wii popularity... not sure (i've got one though).

Also, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed are very popular titles here. Halo... not so much.

All just my experience, but there you go.

Exactly my point, the economy of South Africa isn't that different from the US or Canada, and the population is about 1.5 times the size of Canada. So I wouldn't be surprised if South Afirza alone accounted for 400 out of the 600k missing in the OP. Add in Tanzania and other east coast countries and there is your missing sales.

Halo was just an example as it's one of the games listed in the OP, and like I said, I know a good amount of people in South Africa play Halo 3 because it's illuminated on the world play map.



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tooto123 on 17 November 2011

Ethomaz show yourself ;)



atma998 on 17 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
_mevildan said:
Michael-5 said:
enrageorange said:
Michael-5 said:
mjk45 said:
I think your forgetting the middle east they seem to have gotten behind the PS3 also NDP only tracks NA where as Vgchartz is Americas as to Polophony I will leave that to ethmoza .

NDP only tracks USA, not Canada. VGC include Brazil, Mexico, and many other regions for it's Americas number. However a while ago I read that 87% of the Americas sales are contributed to US sales, and I would assume 8.7% contribute to Canada (1/10th the population).

As for EMEAA, not only did the OP forget the middle east, but they also forgot Africa. In the Middle East, Africa and Asia territory, there are 5 million PS3's and 3 million 360's. 600k for GT5 or Halo off 5 or 3 million consoles is very doable.

That and VGC now track Halo Reach digital sales from the bundle, NDP doesn't include those numbers.

by asia I meant most of the middle east as well which  polyphony includes as part of their asia numbers. As for Africa I have no idea if they would be included under Asia or Europe but either way there is no way Africa is such a signifcant portion of EMEAA.

The population of Africa is 1 billion people. The number of console gamers there likely exceeds the Middle East. I remember when Halo 3 came out, they had a world map and stars representing clusters of gamers. Most gamers were east/west coast USA/Canada, and there were a lot in Western Europe. However outside of NA and EU, the only places I remember seeing stars were Africa (South Africa and Tanzania), Brazil, and a little bit in Japan.

I said earlier, if US is 87% of Americas, and Canada is 8.7%, then there is still 8.3% of Americas sales contributed to South America. I wouldn't think Africas software sales are any different then South Americas. So if Halo Reach sold 7 million in Americas, this corresponds to 600k sales in South America, which correspond to 600k sales in Africa, which....is magically almost exactly the missing amount from your data.

You might be skeptical that Africa gets as many console sales as South America, but believe me, I've been to Tanzania, it's not as rural as you think. Also unlike Brazil, consoles aren't heavily taxed (a 360 now is still a $600 system there), so even if there are less gamers in South Africa and the east coast, more are able to buy the games.

Video games are quite popular in South Africa. How many numbers in sales that translates to... not sure. But we have dedicated games retailers here, with midnight launches for bigger games and such things. We get offical ranked servers for the big FPSs etc. If that means anything.

PC gaming is especially huge here. RPGs, racing games and shooters seem to me the most popular. Between X360, PS3, Wii... it seems to me that more people own Xboxes, but PS3 games sell more (i'll let you figure out why). Basing that on what I see on popular online retailers. Wii popularity... not sure (i've got one though).

Also, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed are very popular titles here. Halo... not so much.

All just my experience, but there you go.

Exactly my point, the economy of South Africa isn't that different from the US or Canada, and the population is about 1.5 times the size of Canada. So I wouldn't be surprised if South Afirza alone accounted for 400 out of the 600k missing in the OP. Add in Tanzania and other east coast countries and there is your missing sales.

Halo was just an example as it's one of the games listed in the OP, and like I said, I know a good amount of people in South Africa play Halo 3 because it's illuminated on the world play map.

Wrong.

The average annual income in South Africa is around 10,000$ per capita and and less than 2,000$ per capita for black people who counts for more than 80% of the population.

No way you can compare South Africa to Canada when it comes to video games sales. I'm pretty sure South Africa doesnt have 1/4 of video games sales in Canada.



KillerMan on 17 November 2011

Those are sales at the end of 2010 (For example GT5 has been pretty much in every pal chart whole this year) and doesn't even include whole europe not to mention middle-east, Africa, Australia, New Zeland etc.

As sitenote not that suprising that the thread has already biggest GT bashers around (atma998 and ZaneWane). I still remember the lifetime prediction of GT5 that atma made... Now I am waiting for Halo bashers to make their appearance.



atma998 on 17 November 2011
KillerMan said:

Those are sales at the end of 2010 (For example GT5 has been pretty much in every pal chart whole this year) and doesn't even include whole europe not to mention middle-east, Africa, Australia, New Zeland etc.

As sitenote not that suprising that the thread has already biggest GT bashers around (atma998 and ZaneWane). I still remember the lifetime prediction of GT5 that atma made... Now I am waiting for Halo bashers to make their appearance.

What's wrong with my prediction? I'm still spot on just to let you know.

Now where's yours? lol



Carl on 17 November 2011

Out of curiosity atma, what did you predict?

Providing VGC is spot on right now, it could reach 8.5/9 Million.