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disolitude said:
Next gen is going to be very different from this one or any previous gen before. Ecosystems from various platforms will start to merge. I see Sony teaming up with Google for PS4 in providing a Android experience on a home console...


hmm.. interesting..

what makes you think this will happen though? like what kind of experience will the android bring? dont they have psvita to do that kind of stuff?



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It'll be somewhat like the Vita's impending launch. They'll launch it at an affordable price, they won't make the mistake of pricing it as high as the Ps3 was. They'll make sure they have a strong launch line-up of games. If they could get two strong first party IPs out for launch, it'd set them up very nicely, Uncharted 4 & Gran Turismo 6 would be perfect. Ps3 struggled at the start, mainly because of the price, but also because it didn't have that 'must-have' game. If they can get either Uncharted 4 or GT6 out for launch they won't have this problem. Uncharted 4 would be my choice, solely because it's a critically acclaimed & commercially successful franchise that's has a growing following with each installment. Note, that I think Naughty Dog should develop this, no-one else. I have a funny feeling that next gen will be the end of Naughty Dog's traditional 'work on a different franchise with each new console generation'.

I also think that they should launch this simultaneously across the three main regions, Japan, America and Europe. None of this 'Japan gets it so many months before America does, and America gets it so many more months before Europe, shit'. I'd launch it simultaneously across, Japan, America & Europe at the start of November, so they can capitalize on the holiday season.



HappySqurriel said:
enditall727 said:
HappySqurriel said:
After Microsft releases their next system, and Nintendo releases the Wii U, there will only be a limited time where the PS3 is viable as a platform for game development. Essentially, third party publishers need to release their games to the PS3, XBox 360 and PC to get the sales to justify the high development costs of these games. While developers will continue to support the HD consoles until the next generation platforms are well established, if the Wii U and Next XBox have similar enough performance and developers can target the PC at the same time within 12 to 18 months developers may be able to target 50+ Million gamers on next-generation consoles; and with the userbase of current generation consoles falling, developers would rapidly be moving away from these platforms.


let's say that these developers do move away from the hd consoles

ps3 will still have the Vita keeping it alive for A LONG time because soon many PSVita games will be shared with ps3 with that cross platform play thing or whatever it's called

AND

the Wii U technology wont be that much bigger than ps3's. you can even see that all Wii U will be getting are ps3 and 360 games/slightly upgraded ports so when the new generation kicks this 1 out the door ps3 could also still be filled with life because it wouldn't take much time to make a Wii U game for the ps3 :)

ps3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon next gen ;)

I have doubts that the PS-Vita will do for the PS3 what the PSP didn't do for the Wii ... Whether they have similar processing power capabilities or not, developers don't (seem to) treat handheld systems and portable systems in the same way; and tend not to release the same games for both platforms.

Beyond that, we really don't know much about what the Wii U is but the rumoured base hardware has been demonstrated to be (roughly) 4 times as graphically powerful as the PS3 on the PC. Typically, with the reduction in overhead and with developers targeting specific hardware, console hardware generally performs significantly better than the same hardware in the PC; and it is highly likely that Nintendo has modified the hardware to reduce bottlenecks and improve real-world performace. Overall, I would be surprised if the Wii U is not as far ahead of the PS3 as the PS3 was above the Wii; and I suspect that third party publishers will be able to target it along side other next-generation consoles (possibly with minor downgrades).


lol yea you do know that that is EXACTLY what sony is aiming for with psvita right? have you watched sony 2011 E3 press conference?

yea but they should still be able to make ps3 version's of Wii U games like the way they have basically already confirmed for the launch titles of the Wii U.

That's all im worried about :)



enditall727 said:


lol yea you do know that that is EXACTLY what sony is aiming for with psvita right? have you watched sony 2011 E3 press conference?

yea but they should still be able to make ps3 version's of Wii U games like the way they have basically already confirmed for the launch titles of the Wii U.

That's all im worried about :)


... and because what a console manufacturer wants is always is what third party publishers do?

Consider that one of the core questions third party publishers will ask is "If you assume that a large portion of PS-Vita owners own a PS3, how does it expand our potential market to release a game to both systems?"

With the poor performance of many PS2 ports on the PSP won't many publishers be wondering whether how people play games on a handheld is incompatible with how people play games on a home console?



HappySqurriel said:
enditall727 said:


lol yea you do know that that is EXACTLY what sony is aiming for with psvita right? have you watched sony 2011 E3 press conference?

yea but they should still be able to make ps3 version's of Wii U games like the way they have basically already confirmed for the launch titles of the Wii U.

That's all im worried about :)


... and because what a console manufacturer wants is always is what third party publishers do?

Consider that one of the core questions third party publishers will ask is "If you assume that a large portion of PS-Vita owners own a PS3, how does it expand our potential market to release a game to both systems?"

With the poor performance of many PS2 ports on the PSP won't many publishers be wondering whether how people play games on a handheld is incompatible with how people play games on a home console?

that's the thing

psp was always for "gaming on the go" but for some reason it didn't really capture that but NOW when you have a game on ps3 you can literally play it "on the go" with ps vita because it's literally the same game/game save. you could go on a road trip and continue playing your ps3 game on your psvita <-- its a pretty decent selling point in my opinion



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TrevDaRev said:
It'll be somewhat like the Vita's impending launch. They'll launch it at an affordable price, they won't make the mistake of pricing it as high as the Ps3 was. They'll make sure they have a strong launch line-up of games. If they could get two strong first party IPs out for launch, it'd set them up very nicely, Uncharted 4 & Gran Turismo 6 would be perfect. Ps3 struggled at the start, mainly because of the price, but also because it didn't have that 'must-have' game. If they can get either Uncharted 4 or GT6 out for launch they won't have this problem. Uncharted 4 would be my choice, solely because it's a critically acclaimed & commercially successful franchise that's has a growing following with each installment. Note, that I think Naughty Dog should develop this, no-one else. I have a funny feeling that next gen will be the end of Naughty Dog's traditional 'work on a different franchise with each new console generation'.

I also think that they should launch this simultaneously across the three main regions, Japan, America and Europe. None of this 'Japan gets it so many months before America does, and America gets it so many more months before Europe, shit'. I'd launch it simultaneously across, Japan, America & Europe at the start of November, so they can capitalize on the holiday season.


lol i would prefer GT6 to be out in ps4's launch year because Gran Turismo is the original beast >=)

and i got a feeling that Naughty Dog might work on Uncharted ps4 aswell but i hope they make it a 2 game limit. i hope they dont make 3 uncharted's for ps4

i feel the same way about ratchet and clank. insomniac should have just made 2 Ratchet and Clank games for ps3 because we already got 3 the previous generation

i hope that somehow someway Activision loses faith in Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragoon and just sell's them back to Sony because they aren't doing anything with them and sony could really use those franchises back. not to mention the fact that i miss the hell out of those games ESPECIALLY spyro!

then Naughty Dog can make uncharted 4, a crash or Jak game THEN make another Uncharted later on



the ps4 will not be the ps3, the Playstation 4 will be alot cheaper to make and produce and your all forgetting so is loosing money as the whole divison, there playstation division is profitable,

but sony will do what microsft did last gen and release there console quik and undetected

they will also not release the ps4 until they have a launch title and i believe grand turismo 6 will be the launch title and the console will be between $399-$439

the Playstation 4 will release in either christmas holidays 2012 or the christmas holidays in 2013

the Playstation 4 xmb will actually be the playstation home giving you the full experience and this will help make home more popular

the playstation move will also have a sensor that gives you a full body tracking

there will be a few bundles at launch

the Gamers package
$399
- grand turismo 6
- wireless headset
- Duelshock controller
- 3 months of Ps Plus

the motion package
$399
- [some dancing game] and [some game like sports champion]
- 2x move controllers + sensor
- 3 months of Ps Plus

the Ultimate package
$439
- Grand turismo 6 + Call of duty?
- 2x Duelshock controllers
- Wireless headset
- 12 months of Ps plus
- 2x Blu ray movies [men in black 3 and ghost busters 3]

here are some more info on how the ps4 will be
. sony and google will partner up
. Online will be a paid subscription
. it will be cheap to produce



The_Joker_Product said:
Itll lose out big time to the Xbox. Look how much Xbox has grown this gen, its sales have already doubled over the last console whereas PS3 is a third of the PS2, its dominated the PS3 in US easily and not just hardware its won out in software aswell, both in exlclusives and multiplatform.

It even leads in UK, i didnt know anyone who had an Xbox here and everyone had a PS2, look how fast that changed.

Next gen the gap between Xbox and PS3 will grow wider, nobodys that bothered with Japanese games anymore its all shooters, PS3 did well because of those that were loyal to the PS brand and people who expected things like GTA and FF to only come to PS3, but i barely kept anything.

Xbox will own PS4 in US and UK, the rest of Europe will turn over to Xbox like UK and with Japan turning towards portable consoles instead, PS4 wont stand a chance.

no it wont ever heard of the 3rd console curse? sadly microsoft will be the victim to the same thing



BasilZero said:
Isnt it the 6th generation of gaming that we're in now o.O?

Also I'm guessing PS4 will be released around late 2013 or early 2014.

I'll be getting a ps3 in less than week from now so ;x.

Either ways, I probably wont be buying a PS4 once it comes out, probably sometime like 2 years at least after its released.

Either way its too early to be discussing about the next system (I mean in terms of the developer companies talking about it). Its only been like barely 6-7 years since the 6th generation launched, I'm pretty sure there's a few more years left for this generation before it becomes obsolete. I mean look at the PS2 lol.


lol no

Sega Dreamcast,PlayStation 2, Xbox and Nintendo Gamecube are 6th generation consoles

Xbox 360,PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Wii are 7th generation consoles <-- so that would mean that we are in the 7th generation right now :)

yea and the 6th generation lasted a little over 7 years before this generation started

it's kind of early but Wii U is right around the corner so.. :)



I see things working out for the PS4 very nicely.  Here are my reasons:

Price -   There's no question that the main reason the PS3 saw such poor performance at the start was because of the price.  Sony invested in the Blu-ray tech, as well as the Cell architecture.  While this has and will continue to pay off for them in the future, it drove up the production costs of the PS3, causing it to launch at a full $200 more than the 360.  This price difference, one that MS was able to keep an issue with future price cuts, is also one of the main reasons the 360 was able to find such a giant foothold in Americas and the UK.  Next gen, however, this will not be an issue. 

Sony has already announced they won't be spending near as much on the PS4 as they did with the PS3.  Some believed this means that it won't be much more powerful than the Wii U, but that will not be the case.  What this really means is that Sony is sticking with Blu-ray, which will be very cheap by the time the PS4 launches, as well as sticking with the Cell (or at least going with an evolution of its tech).  This frees money up for a much better GPU and more RAM.  I fully expect the PS4 to be a large jump in graphical ability, while still only selling for ~ $349-$399. 

Support -   Another reason the PS3 had so much trouble from the start, was the lack of quality support for the first 2 years.  Something that didn't really change until 2008.  Sony seems to have learned from this mistake, as they have been pumping out quality exclusives left and right, as well as getting a few quality 3rd party exclusives.  The launch window line-up of the Vita proves this further.  I can see there being no difference with the launch window line-up for the PS4.  Sony will most likely have a GT and Uncharted waiting to be launched in the 1st year of the consoles life.

Brand Strength -  The Playstation is a HUGE brand name.  This gen, even with PS3's first troubling years, proves it.  I highly doubt the Nintendo brand or the Xbox brand could have survived releasing a console that was $200 more than their nearest competition's console, while having poor support for the first 2 years, but Sony was able to pull through it.  Next gen, without all the problems of this gen, we should see the true strength of the Playstation brand again.

Competition -

     MS:   Again, the main reason for the 360's rise this gen was not truly its strengths, but rather, the PS3's weaknesses at the start of the gen.  In fact, the weaknesses were so large that it allowed the 360 to survive the RROD scare during its first years on the market.  If the PS3 had been able to launch with good support, and a price point of $349-$399, there is no doubt in my mind the 360 would not have survived the RROD fiasco.  I will give MS credit, though, as they were able to exploit those weaknesses with continuing price cuts and great 3rd party support, and have made the 360 a huge brand in Americas and the UK.  Even though this will help them next gen, it won't help them enough.  True, it will help it compete, maybe even win out in those 2 regions, but the gap in those same regions will be smaller.  Mostly due to similar launch dates and pricing (difference of maybe $50)  and similar support and power.  Of course, the Playstation brand will win out in EMEAA and Japan.

     Nintendo:   To me, it seems that Nintendo is more playing catch up to this gen than looking to compete next gen.  Yes, the graphics are supposed to be better than the PS3's, but by how much is yet to be seen.  My guess is geometry and texture-wise, it will be about the same, while the main improvements will be AA and lighting/shadowing.  This would mean that the main draw to the Wii U will not be for improved graphics, but to play it using the Wii U tablet controller.  Already, this is going to turn off many of the owners of the PS3/360.  They will not be willing to paying another ~$299-$349 to play slightly better looking games, just for the added bonus of the tablet controller.  They will wait a year for the launch of the NeXbox and PS4, and spend only ~$50-$100 more, while getting greatly improved graphics. 

     So what about the more casual gamer?  Well, by the time the Wii U is ready to launch, I fully expect Sony and MS (250GB SKU) to drop the price of their systems to $199 to compete with the Wii U.  This will cause a nice bump for both consoles, as well as make potential buyers question spending ~$100-$150 more to only get slighty improved graphics.  This, again, makes the tablet the main draw.  And while tablets have become quite popular, especially the iPad, the main appeal of those is you can take and use them ANYWHERE.  Not so with the Wii U controller, as it is more like a touch display and requires the console to operate fully.  Then you have the fact that while Nintendo is trying to get more than one controller to work per console, it is not set in stone they will be able to pull it off.  If that is the case, then that will make multiplayer less appealing, something that helped make the Wii popular.  And even if they get 2 working (which seems it will be the max) it still puts a damper on multiplayer.  No one wants to play with the old Wii-motes when 2 others get to play on the new tablet controller and experience the game fully.