Loved how you were so deliciously patronizing here :)

Clearly were done here. But the GT vs Forza thingie will always astonish me.

GT5 has 200 cars and 800 junkers, weather, and night and day. Forza 4 comes out a year later. Reviewers know its lacking those features.....yet they all still praise Forza 4 and give it a 90+ score on Metacritic. Thats the main point here that you refuse to accept: how Forza 4 outdid GT5 even without those features....meaning theres more to Forza.......and things in GT5 that are to be desired. 

Clearly you guys are blind to GT5's faults and and seriously overstating those few features...otherwise Forza 4 would have lost serious marks for not having them. But here we are.

3 Forzas with 90+ marks. GT5 has a 84.

Thats something that won't go away and is tangible proof that GT is the inferior franchise. Period. Anything you say to the contrary is your own opinion and nothing more. GT was on top and now its officially #2. Its still your favourite franchise, congrats. But it ain't #1 no more.  

You don't understand "die". Die as in the community as a whole keeping with it. Gamers want the newest, the best graphics, etc. PS3 will still sell a bit when 720 comes out, but it really won't keep a hugely robust community as it is right now when it is the mainstream console.

You mentioned WiiU games keeping PS3 alive. The reason most games look likep ports of 360 and PS3 games is because...they are. For now. It has a LOT more horsepower under the hood. Do you think developers will want to develop for the underpowered PS3 (read my first post that you ignored for details on that) when the WiiU and 720 offer so much easier development and more horsepower? They will be able to render games with great textures at 1080/60. PS3 is stuck at 720/30 for games with huge textures, or lower if the developer is lazy (read: Treyarch, developers of COD: Black Ops).

You mention 360 games being put on the PS2, well most of them looked like crap and were missing a lot of funtionality. Thus, most Americans just went about bought a 360 because it was so much better. Sony will NOT let Xbox just gobble up the marketshare that the 360 got this gen.

The leap to next-gen will be huge. Not quite SD ->> HD but it will be big. Instead of games struggling to render at 720/30, we'll be seeing 1080/60 consistently, better lighting (something a lot of games right now struggle with), better post-processing effects, actually have decent MSAA and AF, and the transition to a Blu-Ray only console gen with the start of downloads becoming a mainstream way of getting games. In order for that, the consoles are gonna have to be wholly integrated to a FAST internet connections (something the PS3's 802.11g isn't ready for, even though they could update it easily, I don't see why Sony hasn't).

I mentioned PS Vita because you did. You said that it would keep PS3 alive for years. Right now, the Vita's tech is shoehorned into PS3. PS4 will actually have integration with it (at least it should)

Sony might not have a choice but to wait until 2014, they're really hurting as the entire company is in red and the stock holders are NOT going to want them to spend a crapload of money on a new console launch just after the PS3 is finally starting to become profitable. They really screwed up with the PS3's launch and further screwed up by REMOVING features on their console(PS2 Backwards Compatibility Anyone? ). In my opinion the PS3 is somewhat of a failure for only selling 1/3 of it's predecessor's sales.

Now, let's look at the competition this gen.

It's only real competitor, the 360, is obviously the weaker powered console.  It had it's own pretty bad launch too, but it has sony on their knees almost the entire generation.  Think about it, all the features the PS3 had added to it in its lifespan? A lot of it came from pressure to "keep up" with the 360 in terms of features.  Microsoft has stalled on adding any real new features and is now starting to focus on next generation, so naturally the PS3 is going to pass it.  The PS3 is a better system overall now and has every right to pass the 360 in terms of sales.

Now, for next gen's competition.

Wii U - The Wii U is only slightly more powerful than the PS3 right now.  I really have no idea what they are going for honestly. Still, the nintendo is a well established brand with some great and fun franchises and could be a big problem if left on the market alone too long.

NextBox - From what I have read, the NextBox is going to be Significantly more powerful than the 360,(6 Core Power7) with rumors of a Dual GPU from AMD. I have also read that they really want to integrate Windows Phone with it somehow and obviously Kinect will be involved somehow.  I've also heard that it will cheaper to produce than the 360 and smaller than it as well(I don't know if this is true, especially with The CPU and Dual GPU if any of that is true). It'll probably use Blu Ray too.  They might go head to head with nintendo and Launch Holiday 2012 with announcing it January 2012 at CES, or they'll launch it in 2013.

If BOTH The NextBox and Wii U launch in 2012, Sony has to launch in 2013 or it's going to be a repeat of this gen. The Playstation brand is much weaker than it was during the PS1/PS2 days, as is Sony overall. If they launch at an affordable price and have the power of the console between the Wii U and NextBox with some crazy features, i think it could win next gen.

..(sigh).. here we go with this Gt vs Forza stuff.. -_-

I dont know why the GT vs Forza thing "astonishes" you so much

i wasn't the 1 who shifted everything towards Gt vs Forza. Hell, i didn't even mention Forza until you brought it up

ok i wasn't even talking about "reviews" so how the hell was that the "main point"? i was saying that Polyphony outdid Turn10's Forza with the dynamic weather, night/day cycle etc. You were the 1 that brought up the whole "review" thing. You were the 1 that kept mentioning reviews, not me.

it baffles me that you magically thought that "reviews" were the main point when i never even said anything about them but whatever..

Clearly you guys are blind to GT5's faults

ok how am i blind to GT5's faults? when did i deny any of GT5's faults?

see now you are just making sh!t up -_-

you're funny

3 Forzas with 90+ marks. GT5 has a 84.

^^^you see what i mean? there you go again :)

Thats something that won't go away and is tangible proof that GT is the inferior franchise. Period. Anything you say to the contrary is your own opinion and nothing more. GT was on top and now its officially #2. Its still your favourite franchise, congrats. But it ain't #1 no more. 

*yawns* cool story bro

let me just quote myself for the last time --> it is what it is, you can say what you want about GT and Forza but Polyphony outdid Turn10's Forza games this gen with GT5 *lifts shoulders*

Clearly were done here.

yea, i think YOU are done here

toodles

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