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Forums - General Discussion - "Why I'm Agnostic" (Good read for believers and non-believers)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/testimonials/matthies.html

You all should check out this page. I thought it was interesting and was thinking you all would feel the same. Here's a short snip of the page.

"...This is the "short version" of why I choose agnosticism. Unbeknownst to many theists, I did not arrive at this choice on a whim. In fact, I have spent more time and suffered more angst researching this decision than "most" theists ever put into their beliefs. Also, I feel a logical God that "knows everything there ever was or will be" would have foreseen this grand calamity. Considering that I am created flawed and inferior, finding belief in said God should not be this hard! I should not need to have a PhD in religious studies or be able to read Hebrew, Greek, and Latin in order to figure out if a God exists. A perfect and all knowing God should have made it so that even the proverbial "village idiot" should be able to find Him--and that is clearly not the case. Regardless, if said God holds this against me then so be it! I gave it my best shot and at present I feel it's unanswerable, hence agnosticism."

And here's another paragraph I thought was interesting. It was actually written by Samuel Clemens, but it did a great job at voicing what I & the author had a hard time expressing.

"...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!"

You guys should check it out!



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Agnostic is the properly rational route. Given the compelling teleological arguments made by theists of all faiths, deists, and philosophers, one can understand the vast subtleties that could entail an unobservable, spiritual world, but at the same time it is indisputable that these intangible concepts are empirically unverifiable.

At the end of the day, it's a catch between the fact that any god, gods, or some other divine pantheon are neither empirically verifiable nor empirically unverifiable



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Mr Khan said:
Agnostic is the properly rational route. Given the compelling teleological arguments made by theists of all faiths, deists, and philosophers, one can understand the vast subtleties that could entail an unobservable, spiritual world, but at the same time it is indisputable that these intangible concepts are empirically unverifiable.

At the end of the day, it's a catch between the fact that any god, gods, or some other divine pantheon are neither empirically verifiable nor empirically unverifiable

I think atheism is just as rational. My reasons being:
- The idea of a god is man-made
- No reason to believe, default position is disbelief until given reason.

I understand the points most agnostics will make but I'm confident that my atheism came from rational reasons.



The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.



 

 

 

Level1Death said:
The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.

It won't be hilarious when you're burning in hell level1death!!!!



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Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.

It won't be hilarious when you're burning in hell level1death!!!!

No big deal. I'll use your pet monkey to protect me.



 

 

 

I am both agnostic and atheist. I believe there is no God, but I do not believe that it can in any way be proven that a God does not exist.



Level1Death said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.

It won't be hilarious when you're burning in hell level1death!!!!

No big deal. I'll use your pet monkey to protect me.

My "pet monkey" is a metaphor. I don't think it'll offer you much protection.



Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.

It won't be hilarious when you're burning in hell level1death!!!!

No big deal. I'll use your pet monkey to protect me.

My "pet monkey" is a metaphor. I don't think it'll offer you much protection.

Hell is a metaphor as well, so it should do fine.



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Kantor said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Level1Death said:
The war between believers and non-believers is hilarious.

It won't be hilarious when you're burning in hell level1death!!!!

No big deal. I'll use your pet monkey to protect me.

My "pet monkey" is a metaphor. I don't think it'll offer you much protection.

Hell is a metaphor as well, so it should do fine.

I hope you got the sarcasm of my first reply to him.