OK.

hardcore gamer = the sun

Hardcore gamers are hot?

Is this a serious thread? I can't figure it out. Knowing rol's record I doubt it is though.

Hardcore gamers never even see the sun.

I am sick of "Hardcore Vs. Casual" bogus arguments. It's not like Kinect and Wii/Move ruin games for hardcore gamers or visa-versa. If you don't want motion controls there are plenty of alternatives. If you don't want to play Forza 4 with Kinect, there's a simple fix for that, don't use Kinect. Use a controller or a wheel. That's what I do.

Both Kinect and Move are add-ons for the respective consoles and thus they are totally voluntary. Even the Wii lets you use a classic controls for most games, if you want. Nintendo may have banked on casuals, but they didn't ignore their fan base either. MS and Sony may have added in motion controls to gain some casual sales, but they both still focus squarely on core gaming. I don't even have a Kinect or Move and I don't feel like I am somehow left out in the cold with nothing to play. There are far too many "hardcore" games on both systems that I don't have the time to play them all.

There is no Hardcore/Casual war. There's just different types of gamers who are all looking for some entertainment and guess what? There's more than enough to go around.

Oh and it's not like you can't have a hardcore game with motion controls, look at Mario Galaxy and Zelda Skyward Sword. I very much enjoyed Mario Galaxy and I'm very much looking forward to playing Skyward Sword. Does that make me a casual gamers because I have the capacity for enjoying games with motion control? No it doesn't? It means I don't care what the game is so long as it's entertaining and that's what gaming is all about, entertainment. People are allowed to enjoy entertainment that you don't like. It's called personal taste and people have the right to like what they like without being categorized and despised for it.

Exactly what this guy said! you rock.

I agree, our Lord and Savior Sony is the only one who knows how to make proper games. Nintendo and Microsoft needs to be eradicated for their incompetence..

I read it got the main points (serious or not) but I don't know where the Sun analogy fits in!

Plus, Kinect was never meant to replace hardcore gaming. It's there for people like me who enjoy chopping fruit and dancing their asses off every now and then.

I prob wont take this serious...but should I?

Dude your "Humor" is so fucking dry that it you made the sun jealous.