Yeah, discussing training requirement. My point is, that not everybody who carries guns IS trained. And I'm not calling anyone specifically ignorant and stupid. I'm saying it's ignorant and stupid in general that people WITHOUT training are allowed to carry guns. Any mentally unstable person can just get a gun and use it, for example.

Yeah, but you're using this specific incident to form a blanket statement that it's ignorant to believe that anyone other than cops and soldiers should EVER be allowed to carry guns.

What the point that I and many others who are supporting gun ownership are pointing out, is that it is a right, and when handled properly, there are more benefits than harm from having as many people own guns as possible. So as a result, government should not be having blanket restrictions on all gun ownerships, but should be supporting the proper use of gun ownership.

and just in case you think you're being misunderstood, I'll point out your own words:

You never pointed out any distinctions in people who have training vs people who don't. and MANY people that do own guns DO know how to handle them. Far more typically it's the person who DOESN'T own a gun, but feels enough of a threat to themselves that they need to buy a gun, who doesn't know how to handle a gun.

These cases would be dramatically be reduced by having government assisted programs in training and certifying the use of citizen own firearms. Rather than restrict the gun ownership, it could instead be mandated that anyone owning a gun must go through a monthly or weekly training course to ensure that they are maintaining their firearm and are accurate in its use and their judgement of it. You think the NRA is just about seeing how big of a hole your gun can make?

Tue, that, it's just that the government, and especially the government in a nation as large as the USA, will never be able to keep proper use and ownership of guns in check.

See, you're saying "to be kept in check"

Gun ownership isn't something to be kept in check. That's like saying that car owners will never be able to be kept in check, or people having sex can never be kept in check.(both of which can be dangerous and even lethal if done irresponsibly) PROPER gun ownership is something that should be SUPPORTED.

That is a false comparaison because the USA has a differnt culture then other areas of the world. Any class in sociological or psychological statistics would tell you that you need to study areas of like culture to weed out any cultural differences.

In otherwords, parts of the USA with other parts of USA. IN THE USA, similar places with lax gun control have less violent crime then similar places with strict gun control.

The school shootings wern't caused by guns, they were caused by bad parents who couldn't tell their kids were batshit crazy.

Also, for those people complaining about 9,000 gun deaths?

There were over 16,000 drunk driving deaths in the US in 2005. I'm guessing the US isn't the only place.

So why don't we ban achohol since all it does is either kill you slow or kill you fast and has no other use?

Yep, and proud of it...

I sleep beside a 12 Gauge shot gun every night!  Lol, I also have around 20+ swords, axes, maces, & daggers in my room....I don't carry a hand gun, but many of my buddies do.

Lol...and I have a knight guarding my ps3 & 360.  See---

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Already explained. Different cultures. The only comparisons that matter are comparisons within cultures.  Anyone with any statistical training could tell you this.

Not only is it already explained about the different cultures, but also, does it really matter?  Dead is dead...if someone wants to kill themselves or someone else, they'll do it...It doesn't matter if they have a gun, knife, poison, strangle, baseball bat, car, or jump, or hang...dead=dead.

Not necessarily, and this has also already been explained.