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who else do you think needs to have justice--he did not commit his cime agnist me, you , or society, but rather aganist them--

and as far as revenge, that would be up for them to decide--if they feel he has paid for his crime then release it is, if she/he feels that he has not then they decide whats next



 

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beat him everyday with metal wip in public ,naked, for a year. Then hang him inside the ball in nyc (used for new years) and blow him up when the timer says 2009. Give 10,000 dollars to whoever catches a body part.



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Rath said:
You guys are fucking sickening.

Really really fucking sickening. I hate it when the horrible vengeful side of human nature comes out and you get to see people for what they really are =

Anyway, he deserves to be punished by a jail sentence of between 10 and 15 years with a right to a full and fair trial and a right not to be physically or mentally abused while he is in prison.

You shouldn't really swear on this forum. Most of the people here are younger and are releasing a natural reaction to the situation. Disgust and contempt for a sickening act.  You should identify with the parent or a family member. What if someone did this to your mom, sibling, or your child. I consider myself very reasonable and fair but I can tell you that if someone did something like this to my child or wife, I would want them to die, even suffer. As an outsider I would want reasonable justice but there would be very, very few people in this world that would say I hope he serves good time if it were their loved one. I am not preaching an eye for an eye, only that I would not want to see him serve such little time and go out and do it again. What if someone did this to your child and you found out they did the same thing before and were released after 10 years.



 

 

Punishment? This was clearly an act of self-defence.



I'm not sure which is creepier, the callous lack of empathy that such criminals exhibit, or the sadistic urges that their crimes evoke in those who wish to punish the criminal.



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mesoteto said:
1) to those who think themselves better---what about the little kid---you call for justice in the name of the criminal but not in the name of the little kid---and we are supposed to be the sick ones


2) the only reason he/she will have to live the rest of her life disfigured and scarred both physicaly and mentaly is because of this man abusing her--She will have to live with her shame and pain for life, and you think he should only get 15 years...shame on you

3) fair trials should be reserved for those that deserve them...not the ones that are guilty and caught red handed

4) you say there is a chance for redemption...sure i am for that, but this man does not feel guilty about what he has done, only that he got caught for it


5) so when climb up on your high horse you need to remind yourself who really was the victim in this crime

 1) Yes, justice does need to be served for the kid. That is why we have a legal system which should offer a fair trail to those accused.

 2)  Murderers can get less and they completely take somones life. Which is better? Being dead, or being alive but suffering? (I'm not asking for an answer, just think about it)

 3) So someone who get caught red-handed shoplifting shouldn't deserve a fair trial? They should be tortured the same way as this guy, right?

 4) Where does it mention his remorse (or lack of it) in the article? I see about a dozen sentences with very little detail. This is why we have fair trails and not vigilante justice. Most here already have judgement laid down and punishment ready and the article barely mentions any details.

This is the exact same problem as sex offender lists (at least with current laws). Someone who is caught urinating in public can land themself on this list, then people like you come along and see they are registered and condemn them to burn in hell with all the other paedophiles without actually asking questions first.

 5) If the 'mob' ever comes for you, you won't be complaining about those who are on their horses.

 

For all of you who ask "what if it was your kid". Sure, I'd be pissed. I could almost guarentee I'd probably be spouting the same stuff that 90% of the posts in this thread are, but that is why we have a legal system which isn't based on my immediate emotion to the situation. 

 

 @Crashman and Rath:  It's good to see that not everyone has jumped on the 'Think of the children!' bandwagon.



CrashMan said:
Its very evident that there is little belief in the redemptability of people in these forums.

Punishments have never, and will never act as deterents to people like this, or the general population as a whole. I don't going around killing people, not because I am afraid of being put to death or jailed, but because I believe it is wrong.

 Very good for you, u dont do anything like that because u believe is wrong, but the main problem here is this guy does not believe what you believe.

how many persons that rape/kill get in jail because ot that?

after they get out, how many keep raping/killing?

sadly there are lot of cases, what would u think having one as neighboor?

People is afraid of this, and punishment is again.. sadly one of the few methods will probably keep them out it

For me, i probably put his kind of guys in jail all his life, a place where he can live the rest of his life and 

try to do something, because they are not suited for living among the society



I would like to note that our justice system isn't set forth to protect the guilty, its set to protect the innocent.

You say that the obviously guilty should be denied a trial and put to harsh and immediate punishment? Who decides who deserves a trial and who doesn't then?

I fear for any innocent person who sits before a jury that you sit on. There is such a thing called the presumption of innocence.

Besides the social impact your view point takes, the moral implications are sickening. By extensions of your blood lust you feel that once a human being makes a mistake that you deem past some moral threshold you maintain that they are immediatly stipped of their humanity. What then is the propper threshold?

Murderers? Rapists? thieves? adulterers? drug dealers? drug USERs? Some one who intentionally makes a deduction from their taxes they know they shouldn't? Your grandmother who accidentally runs a red light?

Its called a slippery slope and with your collective mentalities you would be at the bottom very quickly.

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Wolfen said:
CrashMan said:
Its very evident that there is little belief in the redemptability of people in these forums.

Punishments have never, and will never act as deterents to people like this, or the general population as a whole. I don't going around killing people, not because I am afraid of being put to death or jailed, but because I believe it is wrong.

 Very good for you, u dont do anything like that because u believe is wrong, but the main problem here is this guy does not believe what you believe.

how many persons that rape/kill get in jail because ot that?

after they get out, how many keep raping/killing?

sadly there are lot of cases, what would u think having one as neighboor?

People is afraid of this, and punishment is again.. sadly one of the few methods will probably keep them out it

For me, i probably put his kind of guys in jail all his life, a place where he can live the rest of his life and 

try to do something, because they are not suited for living among the society


That's because we have an extremely flawed "correctional system," if you can even call it that.  Jails and prisons are just holding places for people to "do their time" where the vast majority of the time, it helps criminals become better criminals. 

These people are already written off by society as lost causes and there is no attempt at rehabilitating or 'correcting' these people.  They are just placed some where and forgotten about for a while. 

The sad part is, I am not relgeous at all, yet ask 10 christians what should be done to this guy and 9 would say kill him.

 



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the justice system is ok, and u r right, its set to protect the innocent.
Im not blaming the system, im blaming the person behing the crime.

Are u shure this is the guy? if yes..
very well then... what u do?
if not O_o, well the trial will try to make the better decision, and then make him/her pay if he has to pay

The problem is, whats the break point when the criminal looks at the kid and thinks "well lets torture him, if they catch me...10 year prision is not that much"

maybe.. and just maybe, harder punishments (not the killing/raping the crazy guys tell) will make people to think more before acting like that