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JackyGoal said:
Michael-5 said:Exactly. I also bet a lot of Japanese gamers thought 360 would just die off. Next gen, maybe the 720 can do better. Maybe 2 million sales (keep in mind I expect overall console sales to drop due to the switch to handhelds).

1.5 million sales isn't much, but it's something. It's not like the PS3 is doing that much better there. MS is at a disadvantage since console sales are overall droping in Japan in favor of handhelds, and because it's American.

However MS should still try. Besides a lot of these games designed for Japanese gamers attract gamers around the world. Lost Odyssey is my favorite JRPG this gen, and FFXIII sold equally well on 360 as it did on PS3 outside of Japan.

Maybe the Japanese won't buy the next MS console because Sony gives them (at least) 10 years of support instead of just 6 years (60%).

1.5 million is a lot, but overall it's just a little piece of the pie.

The PS3 isn't doing great in Japan? Sony sold 7 million pieces of hardware in Japan (Homefront), which is 5.5 million more and 4,67 times as much as MS (lowest sales in Japan) did. In the US (Homefront) MS just sold  1.6 times as much as Sony (lowest sales in US). In the EMEAA-region (Sony's best region this gen) Sony sold 1.2 times as much as MS did (lowest sales in EMEAA).

FFXIII sold equally well on 360 as it did on PS3 outside Japan? 1,798,103 (X360) - 2,819,123 (PS3) = 1,021,020 (56,8%). That's nowhere near equally!

1.5 million 360 sales is still better then zero. It's not much, but it's something. Also Japan is the weakest territory for all home console manufacturers, so I wouldn't expect strong sales there anyway. When I say PS3 didn't do that well in Japan, it only sold 5 million more then 360. Japan isn't a console loving territory, but it's something.

Besides 360 sales in Japan > X-Box 1. I think Nextbox can do a touch better.

As for FFXIII, I should have looked it up, I thought both games sold about 2 million outside of Japan. Regardless, FFXIII still did well on the 360, so it shows some 360 owners appreciate the JRPG genre games.



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They definitely should,if the console's features interest the j-gamers,then go for it.



Michael-5 said:

1.5 million 360 sales is still better then zero. It's not much, but it's something. Also Japan is the weakest territory for all home console manufacturers, so I wouldn't expect strong sales there anyway. When I say PS3 didn't do that well in Japan, it only sold 5 million more then 360. Japan isn't a console loving territory, but it's something.

Besides 360 sales in Japan > X-Box 1. I think Nextbox can do a touch better.

As for FFXIII, I should have looked it up, I thought both games sold about 2 million outside of Japan. Regardless, FFXIII still did well on the 360, so it shows some 360 owners appreciate the JRPG genre games.

I agree with everything in this post.



Michael-5 said:
 
 

 

1] Also Japan is the weakest territory for all home console manufacturers, so I wouldn't expect strong sales there anyway.

2]When I say PS3 didn't do that well in Japan, it only sold 5 million more then 360.

3]Japan isn't a console loving territory, but it's something.

4]Besides 360 sales in Japan > X-Box 1. I think Nextbox can do a touch better.

5]As for FFXIII, I should have looked it up, I thought both games sold about 2 million outside of Japan. Regardless, FFXIII still did well on the 360, so it shows some 360 owners appreciate the JRPG genre games.

1]Japan is just a small territory, Japan isn't the weakest territory for the Wii and PS3, only for the X360. Is South America counting for the Americas territory?

Japan: 127 million people, N-America: 529 million people (x4.2), Americas (N+S): 1.091 million (x8.6). 

PS3 * N- America: 20.6 million * Japan: 7 million - (x4.2) = 29.4 million - (x8.6) = 60.2 million.

Wii * N-America: 41.8 million * Japan: 11,8 million - (x4.2) = 49.6 million - (x8.6) = 101.5 million.

X360 * N- America: 32.9 million * Japan 1.5 million - (x4.2) = 6.3 million - (x8.6) = 12.9 million.

Totals: N- America: 95.3 million * Japan 20.3 million - (X4.2) = 85.26 million - (x8.6) = 174.6 million.

2]5.5 million not 5 million.
3]It is, get your facts right. In 2 posts you're way more wrong then right. ;)

4]I don't think so, I think they shouldn't have pulled out the X360 in this stage.

5]1.8 million vs 4.7 million - 2.6 times more sales on PS3. Is there any other 4 million+ multiplatformgame this gen that has so much diferences in sales between PS3 and X360? Only Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock has 2.11 more sales on X360.



JackyGoal said:
Michael-5 said:
 
 

 

1] Also Japan is the weakest territory for all home console manufacturers, so I wouldn't expect strong sales there anyway.

2]When I say PS3 didn't do that well in Japan, it only sold 5 million more then 360.

3]Japan isn't a console loving territory, but it's something.

4]Besides 360 sales in Japan > X-Box 1. I think Nextbox can do a touch better.

5]As for FFXIII, I should have looked it up, I thought both games sold about 2 million outside of Japan. Regardless, FFXIII still did well on the 360, so it shows some 360 owners appreciate the JRPG genre games.

1]Japan is just a small territory, Japan isn't the weakest territory for the Wii and PS3, only for the X360. Is South America counting for the Americas territory?

Japan: 127 million people, N-America: 529 million people (x4.2), Americas (N+S): 1.091 million (x8.6). 

PS3 * N- America: 20.6 million * Japan: 7 million - (x4.2) = 29.4 million - (x8.6) = 60.2 million.

Wii * N-America: 41.8 million * Japan: 11,8 million - (x4.2) = 49.6 million - (x8.6) = 101.5 million.

X360 * N- America: 32.9 million * Japan 1.5 million - (x4.2) = 6.3 million - (x8.6) = 12.9 million.

Totals: N- America: 95.3 million * Japan 20.3 million - (X4.2) = 85.26 million - (x8.6) = 174.6 million.

2]5.5 million not 5 million.
3]It is, get your facts right. In 2 posts you're way more wrong then right. ;)

4]I don't think so, I think they shouldn't have pulled out the X360 in this stage.

5]1.8 million vs 4.7 million - 2.6 times more sales on PS3. Is there any other 4 million+ multiplatformgame this gen that has so much diferences in sales between PS3 and X360? Only Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock has 2.11 more sales on X360.


1. Over 80% of game sales in Americas is USA, so you can't say Americas is 1 billion people. So you've only shown me that per person, less people buy consoles in Japan then they do In Americas and Europe. An example to furthur show that, the 4th biggest region that sells games in the world is UK. Over 10 million PS360 units have been sold there and the population is half of Japans. 30% more volume for 50% less people. Japan is becoming more of a handheld market.

2. Again these are still small numbers. Next gen they will only be smaller

4. The 360 has actually sold 3 times more units then the original X-Box. Just because you don't think so, doesn't make it so. Don't insult me when you make obvious mistakes too.

So this point alone shows that the nextbox should release in Japan. If Ms can make gains, at all, in that regions it's more then worth it.

5. My point was outside of Japan, JRPG's are still popular on the 360. People still appreciate JRPG's outside on the 360, so making games focused for the Japanese audience will still affect sales outside of Japan. What are you debating?



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Joelcool7 said:
Solid-Stark said:
Idk if they should, but i think they wont after recently pulling out of Japan.


I don't think they pulled out. Retailers dropped the 360 from their shelves, Microsoft tried very hard to keep their consoles on store shelves but as far as I know retailers decided to drop it. I think sales were just to low for retailers to consider carrying the X-Box line any longer. If Microsoft chooses to launch Nex-Box in Japan they will have to convince retailers that they will actually turn a profit. It has to be profitable for the retailers or they will give that shelf space to PS4/WiiU!

Ohh, i thought they pulled out

But your right, if they do decide to launch, then they will need to convince retailers that nextbox will be successful. Not sure how they are going to do that. *thinking face.



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Michael-5 said:

1. Over 80% of game sales in Americas is USA, so you can't say Americas is 1 billion people. So you've only shown me that per person, less people buy consoles in Japan then they do In Americas and Europe. An example to furthur show that, the 4th biggest region that sells games in the world is UK. Over 10 million PS360 units have been sold there and the population is half of Japans. 30% more volume for 50% less people. Japan is becoming more of a handheld market.

2. Again these are still small numbers. Next gen they will only be smaller

4. The 360 has actually sold 3 times more units then the original X-Box. Just because you don't think so, doesn't make it so. Don't insult me when you make obvious mistakes too.

So this point alone shows that the nextbox should release in Japan. If Ms can make gains, at all, in that regions it's more then worth it.

5. My point was outside of Japan, JRPG's are still popular on the 360. People still appreciate JRPG's outside on the 360, so making games focused for the Japanese audience will still affect sales outside of Japan. What are you debating?

1] So we can't count them because they buy less? Like we can't count Japanese sales for Final Fantasy XIII because they bought more? It's called AmericaS on the frontpage, not US or Northern America. I don't see JapanS totals or EMEAAS totals, but I do see AMERICAS totals. It's obvious to me that you like to make things look better for your taste (like with the Final Fantasy numbers), but you can't say America's when you actually mean N-America or the US. And the only reason there are less consoles sold in Japan (vs N-America or UK) is because the xbox-brand just isn't accepted over there. I think that if SEGA had released a console this generation then things would look totally different.

2] Your thoughts/hopes, not a fact. You can say things like that when a generation is near it's end, not before it starts. Nobody could've thought that Nintendo would be ruling this generation.

4] The original xbox was far too late last generation, the PS2 was already dominating. This generation the X360 was the first to release and the problems that came with it (R.R.O.D.) made it clear that they wanted to be first to release no matter with this generation. So no mistake made by me, your just trying to make things look beter again.

5]I'm not debating, your just trying too much to make it look good again (does it stop?). 1.8 million sales and you think it's popular? .... Do you remember how much this game was advertised by MS? They even made it look like it was going to be a X360-exclusive in the ads. Even with all the advertising the sales are pretty terrible compared to the PS3-version which had almost no advertising. Just like Kinect, sure it sold more then Move, but $500.000.000 for ads, demo's etc. etc. can make anything look  good.



JackyGoal said:

Michael-5 said:

1. Over 80% of game sales in Americas is USA, so you can't say Americas is 1 billion people. So you've only shown me that per person, less people buy consoles in Japan then they do In Americas and Europe. An example to furthur show that, the 4th biggest region that sells games in the world is UK. Over 10 million PS360 units have been sold there and the population is half of Japans. 30% more volume for 50% less people. Japan is becoming more of a handheld market.

2. Again these are still small numbers. Next gen they will only be smaller

4. The 360 has actually sold 3 times more units then the original X-Box. Just because you don't think so, doesn't make it so. Don't insult me when you make obvious mistakes too.

So this point alone shows that the nextbox should release in Japan. If Ms can make gains, at all, in that regions it's more then worth it.

5. My point was outside of Japan, JRPG's are still popular on the 360. People still appreciate JRPG's outside on the 360, so making games focused for the Japanese audience will still affect sales outside of Japan. What are you debating?

1] So we can't count them because they buy less? Like we can't count Japanese sales for Final Fantasy XIII because they bought more? It's called AmericaS on the frontpage, not US or Northern America. I don't see JapanS totals or EMEAAS totals, but I do see AMERICAS totals. It's obvious to me that you like to make things look better for your taste (like with the Final Fantasy numbers), but you can't say America's when you actually mean N-America or the US. And the only reason there are less consoles sold in Japan (vs N-America or UK) is because the xbox-brand just isn't accepted over there. I think that if SEGA had released a console this generation then things would look totally different.

2] Your thoughts/hopes, not a fact. You can say things like that when a generation is near it's end, not before it starts. Nobody could've thought that Nintendo would be ruling this generation.

4] The original xbox was far too late last generation, the PS2 was already dominating. This generation the X360 was the first to release and the problems that came with it (R.R.O.D.) made it clear that they wanted to be first to release no matter with this generation. So no mistake made by me, your just trying to make things look beter again.

5]I'm not debating, your just trying too much to make it look good again (does it stop?). 1.8 million sales and you think it's popular? .... Do you remember how much this game was advertised by MS? They even made it look like it was going to be a X360-exclusive in the ads. Even with all the advertising the sales are pretty terrible compared to the PS3-version which had almost no advertising. Just like Kinect, sure it sold more then Move, but $500.000.000 for ads, demo's etc. etc. can make anything look  good.

1. Americas region is largely focused on USA and Canada. If you want to make a fair comparision you have to compare USA and Canada to Japan, not the general region. Is EMEAA 6 billion people big? No, same story here. Japan, like South America, is a low volume per capita region for console sales.

2. What point are you trying to debate here? I think you are just arguing me because I said no they shouldn't.

Console sales have been decreasing in Japan since the 6th generation. This isn't a thought or hope (why would I hope for console sales to drop?) Handheld sales have also steadily been increasing every generation.

4. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing here.

5. I'm trying to hard to make what look good? What are you talking about.

Look, you clearly have an issue with me or with people who say "Yes 720 should be released in Japan." Why I dunno, and I don't know why you are literally making arguements with everything I say.

All I said here was that JRPG's are still appreciated on 360, so making games to cater to the Japanese audience will not be limited to the small Japanese audience. One reason I got my 360 was for JRPG's, so obviously it makes an impact on worldwide sales (and general audience).

What does Kinect have to do with anything? Why are you purely just trying to trash talk Microsoft?



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CGI-Quality said:

Of course. Why deny yourself a potential market just because you don't dominate in it? There are 1.5million 360 owners in the region; ignoring that means they never really cared to make any headway there, which would be a tragic mistake in my view.

So the 360 should ride out this wave and the 720 should (and will) start on a new one.

exactly 1. 5 mill is great and nobody in there right mind would give up that many or even more potential hardware sales plus all the software

also considering it would   impact negatively even if small when japanese developers decide on multiplatform resourcing support for no real gain.



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d21lewis said:
My take on M$ pulling out of Japan: They supported the console for six years. In anybody's book, that's a pretty good run for a gaming console. There's just no reason to push the 360 there, anymore. The eighth gen is about to kick off (or is in full swing if you count the 3DS) so people are going to be looking at next gen consoles. If the 360 gets any sales in Japan, it would be as an afterthought and at extremely gimped prices. It's just not worth the time and money there for the 360. Just come on strong with the next round of Microsoft hardware.


I'm pretty sure portablel and home console generations are counted seperately. -_-
The release of a new portable doesnt' exactly scream NEXT GEN!