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Troll_Whisperer said:
hatmoza said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
hatmoza said:
Frankly, I think the people who are saying they think purely without words are full of shit. But that's just me.

The example of food Trollwhisperer provided above is true, and I'm sure there are many other instances of thinking with "feelings". But don't tell me, someone who speaks several languages doesn't have words going through their minds when they're working through their thoughts. That's absurd.

In my personal opinion, that would only be true if you were living by yourself on an island your whole life. If anything, the formation of words and languages helped develop cognitive abilities throughout history. Ever heard of constructivism in education? The idea of constructivism is pretty big in schools these days and it's basically the concept of how we build on past knowledge to increase our learning skills ... mainly thinking.

You're right, it's definitely just you.

Don't believe me, but it's 100% true. I really only think with words when I read or write those words. Why would I and several other people be lying?

I can easily find a few discussions online about this and you'll find many people think in concepts:

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=24280

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=844786

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8gu1p/do_you_think_in_words/

http://able2know.org/topic/175479-1

 

Edit: Actually, I'm gonna ask you: what do you tell yourself? In what situations do you think in words? Can you give me examples? I'm curious about this.

Notice how I said "purely without words." I'm very familiar with different learning styles and how they can be associated with thinking. I'm well aware that some people lean towards being visual learners/thinkers. However, my argument (and again this is a personal opinion) is that as long as you know a language, you will have a stream of words going through your head at any given time.

I believe that you are  predominantly a visual/abstract thinker. But I absolutely refuse to believe that that completely substitutes words.

As I said I only hear the words in my head when reading/writing (although faintly and accompanied by the images I picture) and perhaps when remembering/imagining conversations. If you don't want to believe me, whatever...

I just asked my girlfriend and she actually laughed at the concept of thinking with words. She said it would be 'time consuming'. So at least I know I'm not weird...

I seriously always thought that only happened in movies/series, when you hear the character's mind's sentences while they gesticulate. I never until know believed people actually do that (and apparently a majority).

Can you give me some examples of what you tell yourself?

My regular thinking occurs when I'm listening to lectures, listening to people talk, radio and reading. When I'm at school listening to a professor talk I start to pick up on key words he/she's discussing and digest them into words I can better manipulate and regurgitate -forming new concepts of my own. When I'm really bored in class I start staring at people and think to myself ,  "I wonder if the teacher ever gave anal," "I wonder if that girl across the classroom ever did anal ... I bet she did," or stuff like , " geesh that kid has fucked up teeth, I wonder if he ever brushes them." Yes, those are all self discussions I have in my head when I'm thinking. On the radio, when I'm driving I always review commercials in my head. I would say stuff like, "boy, that was pretty clever I wonder how they ... etc" or " GOD FUCKING DAMMIT that commercial was so annoying. Why did they think that commercial would  appeal to ... etc". Get this, I do try to picture how radio show hosts look! Althugh it's not dominate, I do visually think. I'm not gonna claim my word thinking is absolutely dominant.

My hardcore "word" thinking occurs when I'm trying to solve problems. Mostly when I'm doing homework. I literally have to map out my word processes on a sheet of paper so I don't forget them. It's associated with figures and visuals, but for the most part my brain keeps asking questions (I form questions in my head a lot [scientific method is fascinating]) and finding solutions. I assess myself by giving myself feedback in the form of words.

When I'm playing games or watching television , just random thoughts like about graphics and dialog, accents, thinking through the plot etc run through my head ... and the occasional, "I wonder if she does anal?"



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Troll_Whisperer said:
Nintendogamer said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Nintendogamer said:
Welsh but no one here knows what that is.

Diolch. That's all I know. I lived in North Wales for 6 months, in a little town called Dolgellau. And yes, I know how to pronounce that.


  Croeso, iechyd da! Quite delightful to hear someone taking some notice of the welsh.  I've lived in North Wales all my life.

Croeso I understand, the rest I have no idea of what you said.

You don't udnerstand this? "Quite delightful to hear someone taking some notice of the welsh.  I've lived in North Wales all my life." lol no iechyd da is good health.



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hatmoza said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
hatmoza said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
hatmoza said:
Frankly, I think the people who are saying they think purely without words are full of shit. But that's just me.

The example of food Trollwhisperer provided above is true, and I'm sure there are many other instances of thinking with "feelings". But don't tell me, someone who speaks several languages doesn't have words going through their minds when they're working through their thoughts. That's absurd.

In my personal opinion, that would only be true if you were living by yourself on an island your whole life. If anything, the formation of words and languages helped develop cognitive abilities throughout history. Ever heard of constructivism in education? The idea of constructivism is pretty big in schools these days and it's basically the concept of how we build on past knowledge to increase our learning skills ... mainly thinking.

You're right, it's definitely just you.

Don't believe me, but it's 100% true. I really only think with words when I read or write those words. Why would I and several other people be lying?

I can easily find a few discussions online about this and you'll find many people think in concepts:

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=24280

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=844786

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8gu1p/do_you_think_in_words/

http://able2know.org/topic/175479-1

 

Edit: Actually, I'm gonna ask you: what do you tell yourself? In what situations do you think in words? Can you give me examples? I'm curious about this.

Notice how I said "purely without words." I'm very familiar with different learning styles and how they can be associated with thinking. I'm well aware that some people lean towards being visual learners/thinkers. However, my argument (and again this is a personal opinion) is that as long as you know a language, you will have a stream of words going through your head at any given time.

I believe that you are  predominantly a visual/abstract thinker. But I absolutely refuse to believe that that completely substitutes words.

As I said I only hear the words in my head when reading/writing (although faintly and accompanied by the images I picture) and perhaps when remembering/imagining conversations. If you don't want to believe me, whatever...

I just asked my girlfriend and she actually laughed at the concept of thinking with words. She said it would be 'time consuming'. So at least I know I'm not weird...

I seriously always thought that only happened in movies/series, when you hear the character's mind's sentences while they gesticulate. I never until know believed people actually do that (and apparently a majority).

Can you give me some examples of what you tell yourself?

My regular thinking occurs when I'm listening to lectures, listening to people talk, radio and reading. When I'm at school listening to a professor talk I start to pick up on key words he/she's discussing and digest them into words I can better manipulate and regurgitate -forming new concepts of my own. When I'm really bored in class I start staring at people and think to myself ,  "I wonder if the teacher ever gave anal," "I wonder if that girl across the classroom ever did anal ... I bet she did," or stuff like , " geesh that kid has fucked up teeth, I wonder if he ever brushes them." Yes, those are all self discussions I have in my head when I'm thinking. On the radio, when I'm driving I always review commercials in my head. I would say stuff like, "boy, that was pretty clever I wonder how they ... etc" or " GOD FUCKING DAMMIT that commercial was so annoying. Why did they think that commercial would  appeal to ... etc". Get this, I do try to picture how radio show hosts look! Althugh it's not dominate, I do visually think. I'm not gonna claim my word thinking is absolutely dominant.

My hardcore "word" thinking occurs when I'm trying to solve problems. Mostly when I'm doing homework. I literally have to map out my word processes on a sheet of paper so I don't forget them. It's associated with figures and visuals, but for the most part my brain keeps asking questions (I form questions in my head a lot [scientific method is fascinating]) and finding solutions. I assess myself by giving myself feedback in the form of words.

When I'm playing games or watching television , just random thoughts like about graphics and dialog, accents, thinking through the plot etc run through my head ... and the occasional, "I wonder if she does anal?"

Yeah, your case is more like in the movies, lol. I just usually picture those things. Or I just know, for a lack of a better word. Just read one of my previous posts, I explained there.



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Nintendogamer said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Nintendogamer said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Nintendogamer said:
Welsh but no one here knows what that is.

Diolch. That's all I know. I lived in North Wales for 6 months, in a little town called Dolgellau. And yes, I know how to pronounce that.


  Croeso, iechyd da! Quite delightful to hear someone taking some notice of the welsh.  I've lived in North Wales all my life.

Croeso I understand, the rest I have no idea of what you said.

You don't udnerstand this? "Quite delightful to hear someone taking some notice of the welsh.  I've lived in North Wales all my life." lol no iechyd da is good health.

Iechyd da to you then!



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Troll_Whisperer said:

Hmmm. So you only actually think a few words in a day. It's not like in the movies either. I usually don't even do that (telling myself one word and associate it with a broader concept). Though, as I said, when I am writing, I actually think the words while I type.

If I thought about what I'm having tomorrow for breakfast, I just have the image or the idea in my mind. Like, perhaps I picture the items quickly. If I'm thinking of something I'm gonna do, I can picture myself doing it in the future, though not at normal speed, just like a few select photograms that go through my mind in a second. It's hard to describe...

@bolded: lol I just saw your reply to moza - Is that what you thought it was like? XD

@second paragraph: You can't stop yourself from thinking of something. The more you try not to, the more you end up thinking of it. Are you telling me that not a single word popped into your head while thinking about tomorrow's breakfast? (lol starting to get hungry) - How about now after I've mentioned the idea of thoughts/images corresponding to words?

I agree with the last part, it is pretty hard to describe. It's even harder to know for sure since you can't control what you do and don't think about. It's practically impossible to observe/examine your own toughts since once you start trying to report your thought process to yourself, you auotomatically start producing false results because you immediately remember the thoughts regarding the the matter, leading you to think about things differently than you would otherwise



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Troll whisperer.

I'm sure you're familiar with the scientific method. The steps involve a high level of cognitive skills that requires a lot of wording. Hypothesis, testings, results ... all things that you would need to formulate in words to share the results. All that visual theories, abstract thoughts need to be proven and broken down into words eventually.

While I respect those who are high visual learners, I believe it's in everyone's interest to formulate and improve  the way they think. It's the same reason graphs and figures are provided in various levels of school for people who are not that strong in that area of thinking.

You are a very clever poster, and I enjoy your ideas and opinions very much. I can only imagine how smart(er) you would be if you can hone your thinking abilities by ... well thinking out of the box. Just like I strive to improve on visual learning.



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Best test is what is the word that comes out when a hot chick passes you in the street?
the language it's in is the one you're currently thinking in at the time. (spontaneous reaction)

I do that in 2 languages, same as swearing...



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

The language I used the most the last few hours, it is like speaking language X whole the time and then someone comes to you and speaks language Y and gives you a bit trouble to speak cause your brain needs to get used again to the other language...How older you get how harder it gets to switch from language to the other and how more time your brain gets used to it :).



 

miz1q2w3e said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

Hmmm. So you only actually think a few words in a day. It's not like in the movies either. I usually don't even do that (telling myself one word and associate it with a broader concept). Though, as I said, when I am writing, I actually think the words while I type.

If I thought about what I'm having tomorrow for breakfast, I just have the image or the idea in my mind. Like, perhaps I picture the items quickly. If I'm thinking of something I'm gonna do, I can picture myself doing it in the future, though not at normal speed, just like a few select photograms that go through my mind in a second. It's hard to describe...

@bolded: lol I just saw your reply to moza - Is that what you thought it was like? XD

@second paragraph: You can't stop yourself from thinking of something. The more you try not to, the more you end up thinking of it. Are you telling me that not a single word popped into your head while thinking about tomorrow's breakfast? (lol starting to get hungry) - How about now after I've mentioned the idea of thoughts/images corresponding to words?

I agree with the last part, it is pretty hard to describe. It's even harder to know for sure since you can't control what you do and don't think about. It's practically impossible to observe/examine your own toughts since once you start trying to report your thought process to yourself, you auotomatically start producing false results because you immediately remember the thoughts regarding the the matter, leading you to think about things differently than you would otherwise

No, I didn't think any word... When I'm reading what you say I just assimilate the info. Yes, the idea pops in my head, but I don't hear a word in my mind, besides the ones I'm reading. Maybe I imagine myself doing what you do as an example, but that's it.



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hatmoza said:

Troll whisperer.

I'm sure you're familiar with the scientific method. The steps involve a high level of cognitive skills that requires a lot of wording. Hypothesis, testings, results ... all things that you would need to formulate in words to share the results. All that visual theories, abstract thoughts need to be proven and broken down into words eventually.

While I respect those who are high visual learners, I believe it's in everyone's interest to formulate and improve  the way they think. It's the same reason graphs and figures are provided in various levels of school for people who are not that strong in that area of thinking.

You are a very clever poster, and I enjoy your ideas and opinions very much. I can only imagine how smart(er) you would be if you can hone your thinking abilities by ... well thinking out of the box. Just like I strive to improve on visual learning.

I don't need to formulate words for that, I would just search for the answer in my mind. You're implying deaf-mute people (who were born that way) can't formulate, and we both know that's not true. Reasoning can be done otherwise.

Actually, a spoken language is a way to convey ideas, but it doesn't expand the number of possibilities, it actually limits them because they are confined in a spoken language. That's why some concepts are hard to describe and why a perfect translation between languages is impossible, something's gonna get lost. There's always that something that just can't be described because spoken/written language is limiting our brain.

Don't know, for me a concept is as good as 1,000 words, I just can't describe it any other way :-/



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