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gamelover2000 on 31 August 2011
SpartenOmega117 said:

wait i have a question. WHat makes science true? In a way Science is pretty much its own religion. Atheism could be its own religion. Believing 2 dimensional numbers (which in a technical perspective are not real just like time), patterns, and basically believe an equation is an answer to the universe. Telling others how they are wrong and that you are right and giving excuses why it may be correct. Yep kind of sound like its own religion to me and its actually growing!

 

In most religions GOD is a supreme diety

 

In the Scientific Religion GOD is numbers and patterns.

 

Yep im just gonna go with what i believe in becuase basically science, although very helpful, definately does not hold the answers to the universe.

Are you talking about binary code? (01111000 for example).

 

if so.. that makes no sense whatsoever.. science in general has absolutely nothing to do with binary code or patterns.

 

Science does indeed believe everything is only proven in theory and can be proven otherwise at any point when evidence is shown.

 

so science says what's  true but will emediatly change it's beliefs once proof is shown that states otherwise

religion never changes and basically says it can't be wrong.

 



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archbrix on 31 August 2011
gamelover2000 said:
archbrix said:

Lol. there it is again... "jumped to the conclusion there must be something divine?"  Very narrow minded...

Keep in mind that you are speaking to someone who does not conform to any religion whatsoever.

That said, that doesn't mean I don't question the many things I can't prove.

And when you do speak of religion, it's all about the corrupt, the perverse and the war waging, mass genocide inducing extremes that you cite... far different from people just having their own personal belief system.  Whether it's true or not, you telling them that they're stupid and clueless for their harmless beliefs is no different than the people you "claim" to be above telling you that you're clueless for not adhering to their beliefs.


Fine then, to answer your original question "how do you explain consciousness"

 

I believe this fully done in the brain where we have different area's and some of these area's enable us to question and learn things, I wish people used that more often. Electrones and pulses go trough our brain and nerve system and we are developed enough to have consciousness.

As I said before, I do not know all the answers to life, but why seek answers to that you can't answer... how would an answer truly help us? it wouldn't... the best thing we can do is to believe what we KNOW, what we can PROVE true so that we can further our knowledge and hopefully further develop our brains.

Well, your response takes me back to high school science class, but seriously... much better response this time.

My point about the human conciousness was a rhetorical question, however;  as someone else said, there is always another question to ask.  Asking questions you can't answer can prove pointless, sure, but having a curious mind is the very reason we have science:  To study and observe.  Without wondering beyond what we can initially see, we never would have evolved to this point.



7eyes on 31 August 2011

Where do I begin? There IS proof that God Exists. And as science gets better it points to God, although biased scientists will not tell you so. Their mind is already thinkiing evolution is true so they see all evidance through those glasses. The earth isnt millions/billions of years old, if anyone knows the lifestyle of a star will know that millions/billions of years ago will put our earth in harms way from the size of the sun. I dont have time/space to go through scientific examples here. Let me say this... if you believe everything came from nothing, life, planets etc. Then you believe you are a mistake and everything means nothing, from your life to what happens in life. And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator. Look at the animals can you not see Design in them. Two eyes a nose ears, these things are not random chance. If you believe in that you believe a boat could fall out of the sky at any moment. ??? Why not, its random chance like everything else, this doesnt happen becase there is a God who created the laws of the universe. Laws can only be created with a creator. Every man has the knollege of God. Some will look and find him, most will KNOWINGLY reject him. MOST people would rather believe in no God because to aknowlege him means you are accountable to him. Science and the Bible go hand in hand.


look at these sites if you want: proofthatgodexists.org

                                                         answersingenesis.org

Love in Christ



Rainbird on 31 August 2011
Dr.Grass said:
Rainbird said:

I'll just talk to the ones who seem to have a sense of direction at least. Hell, I went back to the book to find a few quotes after I read your post, which reminded me of how much I've actually neglected my spirituality lately. First thing will be re-reading "Working with the Law". ^_^

Yeah its very, very hard.

I'll give ''Working with the Law'' a read. It looks very good.

I'm glad, I find it a fasnicating view on how our world works.

In turn, I'll definitely have to explore the direction you put forth.



SpartenOmega117 on 31 August 2011
gamelover2000 said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

wait i have a question. WHat makes science true? In a way Science is pretty much its own religion. Atheism could be its own religion. Believing 2 dimensional numbers (which in a technical perspective are not real just like time), patterns, and basically believe an equation is an answer to the universe. Telling others how they are wrong and that you are right and giving excuses why it may be correct. Yep kind of sound like its own religion to me and its actually growing!

 

In most religions GOD is a supreme diety

 

In the Scientific Religion GOD is numbers and patterns.

 

Yep im just gonna go with what i believe in becuase basically science, although very helpful, definately does not hold the answers to the universe.

Are you talking about binary code? (01111000 for example).

 

if so.. that makes no sense whatsoever.. science in general has absolutely nothing to do with binary code or patterns.

 

Science does indeed believe everything is only proven in theory and can be proven otherwise at any point when evidence is shown.

 

so science says what's  true but will emediatly change it's beliefs once proof is shown that states otherwise

religion never changes and basically says it can't be wrong.

 


but really what makes science that much more credible than religiion? its not really. Really the only thing we can assume is just seeing like seeing each other seing other planets but things like evolution (which i do BELIEVE in btw) is just a pattern charles darwin assumed. Physics is just number. Saying GOD does not exist is a theory. Everything had to come from somewhere (its basically stated in science as well). And thats something Science willl probably never figure out. How everythign came to be.



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o_O.Q on 31 August 2011
7eyes said:

Where do I begin? There IS proof that God Exists. And as science gets better it points to God, although biased scientists will not tell you so. Their mind is already thinkiing evolution is true so they see all evidance through those glasses. The earth isnt millions/billions of years old, if anyone knows the lifestyle of a star will know that millions/billions of years ago will put our earth in harms way from the size of the sun. I dont have time/space to go through scientific examples here. Let me say this... if you believe everything came from nothing, life, planets etc. Then you believe you are a mistake and everything means nothing, from your life to what happens in life. And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator. Look at the animals can you not see Design in them. Two eyes a nose ears, these things are not random chance. If you believe in that you believe a boat could fall out of the sky at any moment. ??? Why not, its random chance like everything else, this doesnt happen becase there is a God who created the laws of the universe. Laws can only be created with a creator. Every man has the knollege of God. Some will look and find him, most will KNOWINGLY reject him. MOST people would rather believe in no God because to aknowlege him means you are accountable to him. Science and the Bible go hand in hand.


look at these sites if you want: proofthatgodexists.org

                                                         answersingenesis.org

Love in Christ

"There IS proof that God Exists".... yet with so many lines of text you couldn't be bothered to post any... 

" And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator... Laws can only be created with a creator" are you implying that all morality comes from religion?



Runa216 on 31 August 2011

I truly wish I wasn't in the middle of nowhere at the moment (country home, nowhere near a library) becuase I'd like to read the texts DrGlass recommended. doubly so since this thread has veered off course.



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SpartenOmega117 on 31 August 2011
7eyes said:

Where do I begin? There IS proof that God Exists. And as science gets better it points to God, although biased scientists will not tell you so. Their mind is already thinkiing evolution is true so they see all evidance through those glasses. The earth isnt millions/billions of years old, if anyone knows the lifestyle of a star will know that millions/billions of years ago will put our earth in harms way from the size of the sun. I dont have time/space to go through scientific examples here. Let me say this... if you believe everything came from nothing, life, planets etc. Then you believe you are a mistake and everything means nothing, from your life to what happens in life. And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator. Look at the animals can you not see Design in them. Two eyes a nose ears, these things are not random chance. If you believe in that you believe a boat could fall out of the sky at any moment. ??? Why not, its random chance like everything else, this doesnt happen becase there is a God who created the laws of the universe. Laws can only be created with a creator. Every man has the knollege of God. Some will look and find him, most will KNOWINGLY reject him. MOST people would rather believe in no God because to aknowlege him means you are accountable to him. Science and the Bible go hand in hand.


look at these sites if you want: proofthatgodexists.org

                                                         answersingenesis.org

Love in Christ


Very awesome response! even though I don't think Jesus is GOD or his son. (I think he is a profit. I am Muslim)



SpartenOmega117 on 31 August 2011
o_O.Q said:
7eyes said:

Where do I begin? There IS proof that God Exists. And as science gets better it points to God, although biased scientists will not tell you so. Their mind is already thinkiing evolution is true so they see all evidance through those glasses. The earth isnt millions/billions of years old, if anyone knows the lifestyle of a star will know that millions/billions of years ago will put our earth in harms way from the size of the sun. I dont have time/space to go through scientific examples here. Let me say this... if you believe everything came from nothing, life, planets etc. Then you believe you are a mistake and everything means nothing, from your life to what happens in life. And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator. Look at the animals can you not see Design in them. Two eyes a nose ears, these things are not random chance. If you believe in that you believe a boat could fall out of the sky at any moment. ??? Why not, its random chance like everything else, this doesnt happen becase there is a God who created the laws of the universe. Laws can only be created with a creator. Every man has the knollege of God. Some will look and find him, most will KNOWINGLY reject him. MOST people would rather believe in no God because to aknowlege him means you are accountable to him. Science and the Bible go hand in hand.


look at these sites if you want: proofthatgodexists.org

                                                         answersingenesis.org

Love in Christ

"There IS proof that God Exists".... yet with so many lines of text you couldn't be bothered to post any... 

" And you believe in right and wrong, stealing is wrong etc. These are traits of our creator... Laws can only be created with a creator" are you implying that all morality comes from religion?

Geez he was saying that morality has to come from somewhere. Just not pop out of nowhere. He does make some good points as in why we feel like this. Why do we have morality? Please don't try to just generalize or put words into another person's mouth.



Runa216 on 31 August 2011

*facepalm* So many faulty arguments going back and forth here. Rainbird and Dr.Glass seem to be the only ones posting intelligent things.

7eyes is claiming science points to god and gives links that prove nothing. proofthatgodexists.org is a joke, pretty much equating to "The bible says he's real, so it must be true." Answersingenesis.org is laughed out of a third grade science class thanks to the "Evolution? Impossible!" ad at the top.

Faulty logic and heresay do not conform to the scientific method.



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