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Troll_Whisperer said:
Umos-Cmos said:

It is not my words that will convert you.  You are correct that Man CANNOT convert someone to God.  It is a personal relationship that you develop with God himself.  People serve as witnesses of him, but ultimately you can choose to believe what you will.  One of God's greatest gifts to us is our agency.  He will not force someone to do that which he does not want to.  I'm gathering from your responses that you have no desire to truly know if there be a God.  I hope I'm not coming off as trying to convert you with my words.  I am simply offering a few simple steps you can take if you really have the desire to know.  If you don't have that sincere desire, then our conversation must end and we will agree to just be friends with good gaming in common. (-:

Well, of course I can't be converted, same as you're not gonna stop believing whatever my experience is. That's simply our upbringing.

I wasn't even arguing against God's existance, rather that you can't prove it through your personal experience and that some people can't believe in God no matter what.

So I'll accept you're proposal. ;)

Sweet!  We actually agree on one point then.  The point that Man cannot "prove" God, but rather you must experience conversion on a personal level.  Honestly, there are lots of people from various upbringings and cultures that gain a testimony of God.  It happens everyday.  You could, everyone could.  Put God's promise to the test to see for yourself.  That's all people have to do to know.  Everyone can do that.  Everyone "WON'T do that, if that is what you are meaning.  Sorry if we had a miscommunication.



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I see. I doubt I'll find anything if I were to genuinly search for him, but I respect your words. I may try one day though.



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gamelover2000 said:
PhalanxCO said:
gamelover2000 said:
The very fact that you can't prove or disprove god's existence proves he is not real. Religion has never predicted anything or has it said things wich were later found to be true but it has said multiple things wich later were proven untrue.

Say what?

200 years ago we couldn't prove/disprove that black holes existed, but that doesn't mean they didn't. There are lots of things in the universe that we cannot prove or disprove, that doesn't mean they don't exist. It only means we aren't advanced enough.

I believe in God. I also believe that the Big Bang is a perfectly plausible theory on the origin of the universe. God and Science are not mutually exclusive. Faith by its very definition cannot be proved, otherwise it would not be faith. The Bible actually confirms science on many occasions. It stated that the Earth was a sphere when everyone else thought it was flat. It said that it hangs in space revolving around the sun, when everyone else thought it was supported by 4 elephants on the back of a giant sea turtle. There are myriads of examples of the Bible corroborating science.

The reason why it's obvious religion is not real due to god being impossible to prove untrue is that that is how religion works.

 

Religion was made up by someone, it wasn't implemented onto the world out of nowhere, if it was the oldest religion is the correct one obviously.

 

They basically say that god is a mighty being that is impotent and loves you but there is no way his existance can be proven, bad things still happen to religious people ATLEAST as much so why is this 'love' not showing?

 

Not only can he not be proven true, bad things and good things happen equally to religious and non religious people... that makes no sense whatsoever if you even read the bible. it states that trusting in god will fill your life with peace and joy..

 

I'm apparently completely missing something in your argument because I fail to see how the inability to prove the existence of God in fact disproves his existence. If that is what you are truly trying to say, then there is nothing I can do to refute that "logic". Nor would I want to try.



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O.K., you just said that God is a concept, a creation of Mankind. That's what you believe and similarly shoved in my face by creating this post. Just like you're asking those that believe in him to prove it, I am asking you to prove you don't believe. Fair is fair right?... and if you can't show me a shred of evidence for your disbelief, why should they be expected to prove anything to you. It's pointless Runa, and you're inquisition of them, of their beliefs, their God can be considered unwarranted if you yourself cannot stand up to comparable questions.

Saying that you're tired of having religion force-fed to you by pious individuals is a simple excuse for starting this thread. You know why you started it; an attempt to make them look foolish, to argue. But, as you can see by my questioning of you, it's unfair. You can no more answer my questions than they can answer yours.
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Umos-Cmos said:
crissindahouse said:
Umos-Cmos said:
crissindahouse said:
Umos-Cmos said:
 

God's DNA is a part of us.  We were created in his image, therefore we have passions and desires.  We are here to learn to master those passions and desires.  Satan is the one putting the dirty thoughts into your mind of all the bad things you want to do with said hot lady.

that sounds not nice. sounds like we are animals in a experimental station, i think i would have to go to jail if i would do that to someone...

I'm confused as to which part sounds "not nice".  We are quite the opposite of some experimental animals.  We each have the seeds of godliness within us.  He desires us to become just like him.  Not sure if you are christian or not, but this truth is stated many times in holy scripture.

not sure what would happen to me if i would breed some creature out of my dna haha or if i just would put my dna in some other creature to make my dna a part of this creature. i bet some christians would condemn me as freaking scientist wouldn't they? but it's cool that it happened to us?

Why are you referring to humans as "some creatures"?  I already explained to you that we are literally the children of heavenly parents.  A spirit and a body united form a soul.  We are the literal spiritual children of our heavenly parents just like we are physical children of our earthly parents.  It's not weird or complicated at all.

what? why the hell (haha hell) do you think i just talk about humans? i talk about all kinds of creatures on this planet putting my dna in or breeding one out of my dna. you just shouldn't talk about dna if you mean "spirit and body forming a soul"

btw if i could form something like you explain about what we are, christians would condemn me right? sure it's not possible (or maybe it is with this logic) but if i could, would i be a god as well or just a scientific freak and someone would have burned me not so long ago for that?

no joke i believe for myself that there is something like a "god" but i don't know what this is and i don't really believe what i can read in the bible just because people long time ago from a time the mankind wasn't very intelligent believed in and conveyed it over thousands of years. noone from europe/america would believe what wild tribes in africa believe in whether different gods, mystical beings or whatever they believe in. everyone says they are just not so smart but people like christians think that their logic has to be 100% right? yeah makes sense...

but that's not the topic so back to it and sry for my nightly freaking story haha



IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh)
I think intelligent life exists outside the Earth. But do we have any proof? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? No. It just means we haven't found any proof yet.

Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him.



VGKing said:

IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh)
I think intelligent life exists outside the Earth. But do we have any proof? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? No. It just means we haven't found any proof yet.

Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him.

I agree wholeheartedly with that last line. What that means is that he can't hurt you. He has no power over you. You don't have to fear him (why anybody would fear an omnibenevolent being is beyond me, but God said so himself and killed quite a few people who refused).

Why does he "allow us to choose", and then if we make the wrong choice (not that we even know what the right choice is, since he wrote three different books on the matter) he tortures us for eternity? Unless, of course, we say sorry to him just before we die, in which case the whole heaven and hell thing amounts to how well you lick God's boots. Perfectly understandable for an omnipotent being, but not a benevolent one.



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VGKing said:

IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh)
I think intelligent life exists outside the Earth. But do we have any proof? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? No. It just means we haven't found any proof yet.

Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him.


Would you agree with me if I said church and state should be seperated then?

 

by that I mean things such as gay marriage to become legal?

 

If god is love why would he dicriminate people who are slightly different from the average person.



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Joelcool7 said:

Alright you say this thread isn't supposed to be insulting and is supposed to be intelligent. Yet you already know that nobody can prove God exists and the premice of your thread is people aren't allowed to give you the most educated response. Anybody with a basic education knows that you can't prove or disprove the existance of God , trying to do so is futile.

So I'm going to call your bluff. This thread's intent is obviously hostile in nature and meant to draw users into a debate they cannot win. You know that these users arguments will be flawed because as I said above their is no way of proving or disproving the existance of God. This is a bait thread and your hoping some users actually come on so you and other users can target them.

This thread should be closed immediatly if you truly back what you said in the OP. Your one of the writers I suggest you contact a Mod and have it closed. I will be reporting it as well as a flame bait thread , because thats exactly what it is.

Don't like my response, I'm sorry but as a writer for VGChartz you have to have some integrity, you can't go out and violate VGChartz policies or make a thread with the soul purpose of insulting users. This is very low and I hope you take what I say seriously and contact a mod immediatly before this thread gets out of hand!

That's how you have taken it, I don't find the OP insulting at all (looking at it from all POV) don't throw your toys out of the pram just because you don't agree with the OP.

Thread should remain open.