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Troll_Whisperer on 31 August 2011
Umos-Cmos said:

To the OP I would simply ask you to explain to me what salt tastes like.  Assuming I've never tasted something so common as salt, how would you explain to me how it tastes?

It doesn't work like that... salt is something tangible, if never tasted it, you taste it. If it exists you try it. If God exists...

 

If you had never tasted or seen salt or met anyone who had tasted or seen salt or had no salt at all anywhere on Earth to prove it's existence would you believe in this so called 'salt'?



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Runa216 on 31 August 2011
Joelcool7 said:
Runa216 said:
alrighty, let's see if I can get this train back on track here.

Original post was saying (in a nicer way) that if Religion wants to continue to have an influence on the world of politics, science, and society, it should be expected to withstand the same criticism and scrutiny that all other aspects of our world has.

Instead of offering proper, intelligent insight to the issue, the thread has essentially turned into the precise thing I was hoping it wouldn't: Proving my point. Instead of offering philisophical insight to the origin of the universe or whatever, we have a lot of christians claiming that this criticism is somehow offensive and are trying to get the thread locked, and the rest are just trying to divert attention to disproving different scientific theories.

In an odd way, this thread has further proven my point: Religion collapses under pressure and is incapable of standing up to rationality without reverting to "let's see who can scream the loudest" to determine what people believe.

Also, for all the people arguing evolution, I have to facepalm. I may not know all the intricate details of evolution offhand, but even the slightest bit of research and proper scientific inquiry will prove to you that evolution is real. Anyone denying this fact is...well, they're not only ignorant but aggressively so.

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Well this is a start, alittle better wording. Maybe you should edit your initial post to make it more welcoming and less flame bait. Also to my knowledge I'm the only one who reported this thread. Many users who agreed with me aren't Christian's either.

But on topic. Religion is already held to the same standards as everything else on earth.

As Kantor said science doesn't disprove religion or prove it. Many of the scientists who created the basic knowledge we follow today were Christian. As I said the majority of scientists around the globe believe in a God, saying that religion isn't held to the same standard as science is a fallacy. Science and religion go hand in hand.

Most people who believe in God, aren't complete moron's. Its not like they didn't think about the decision or research it. Its not like each and everyone of them is uneducated illiterates.

Their is alot of evidence to support the various faiths. Archeological and historical evidence over flows. Scientific evidence doesn't disprove it so people base their beliefs on what is proven and experiances they have had themselves.

Also again with this whole evolution crap. Evolution is a series of theories which started with Darwin's theory of evolution. Some of these theories hold water others do not. To stereotype and include all the theories as Evolution and say its fact is really niave.

I believe in Micro Evolution and not MacroEvolution. I believe that in some cases convergent evolution also occurs. In biology in University I learned about a dozen different evolution theories. Though I don't remember them all this knowledge really keeps me from saying I believe or don't believe in Evolution.

Which theories of evolution do you believe in? Why do you believe in these theories and how do these theories disprove the existance of God? You say Evolution is fact and such so which theories are fact and such?

Religion doesn't collapse under pressure. if it did it wouldn't be around anymore. The users here have responded to your questions fairly well infact even non-Christian users in this thread have provided insight into religious beliefs.

Your final quote about facts I'm not sure exactly who your qouting but I'd be happy to see these facts. I'm sure you know way more then my bio proffesor and all the teachers that have taught me science over the years. You probably also know more then the majority of scientists since they believe in God and you obviously have a better understanding of science then they do.

You do know I've long since stopped reading even a single word of your posts, right?  You convinced me early in the thread that you were just here to whine and b'aww about the thread, so I'm not even gonna take the 2 minutes it would take to read this post and shake my head in disdain.  Doubly ironic since it seems like you read every one of my posts just so you have something to complain about. 



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richardhutnik on 31 August 2011

I think, for this discussion, to look into what the authors of "How God Changes Your Brain" have to say regarding the subject.  Like this one, on the difficulty of definining what is "evidence":

And if how one thinks does cause things to change, that has a very large impact also, as is seen being discussed here:



Umos-Cmos on 31 August 2011
Troll_Whisperer said:
Umos-Cmos said:

To the OP I would simply ask you to explain to me what salt tastes like.  Assuming I've never tasted something so common as salt, how would you explain to me how it tastes?

It doesn't work like that... salt is something tangible, if never tasted it, you taste it. If it exists you try it. If God exists...

 

If you had never tasted or seen salt or met anyone who had tasted or seen salt or had no salt at all anywhere on Earth to prove it's existence would you believe in this so called 'salt'?

God does exist, prove him.  Just like you would prove what salt tastes like or if you wanted to see if a seed truly sprouts into a plant.  It's not that complicated.  I've experienced the power of God in my life.  I have a lifes worth of experience that you cannot disprove.  I know he exists.  How is this different from the parameters I set for salt?  Surely you could describe something so common as salt.



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richardhutnik on 31 August 2011

Duplicate post... ignore.



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Umos-Cmos on 31 August 2011
o_O.Q said:
Umos-Cmos said:
pezus said:
Reason 1: The tide comes in the tide goes out...never a miscommunication.

Reason 2: The Bible

Reason 3: He is watching us and tempting us into feeling he doesn't exist but he actually wants us to resist that temptation and embrace Him.

God does not temp us.  Satan does.

lol so therefore when i see some hot lady going down the street and i have feelings of lust for her or whatever its not me but satan right?

God's DNA is a part of us.  We were created in his image, therefore we have passions and desires.  We are here to learn to master those passions and desires.  Satan is the one putting the dirty thoughts into your mind of all the bad things you want to do with said hot lady.



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SpartenOmega117 on 31 August 2011
Runa216 said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

First Post Asking:
Im not gonna support 7eyes here because I really don't think Jesus was the son of god. I don't think God would ever want to degrade himself to the level of humans or even have a son(ehich doesn't make any senese what soever. Does god have a wife?) But answer this. In terms of the quran how can a man without any education doesn not know how to read/write able to produce the quran? The book has many things in it (universe is expanding, earth revolves around sun, earth is round, only able to see one side of the moon, etc.) that even a very literate man back then would not know. Answer that?

Reply to Kantor:

it doesn't matter how scientifc or not the quran, bible, etc. is. My main question is how was some so illterate able to produce it? He actually recited it and the only people who could write at the time wrote it. And no science was not as developed either. Arabia was pretty much at the bottom of the food chain in the day of Mohammad. Kind of like the dark ages of europe. Pretty much no one could have known and put the quran together in such an organized manner.

What I am implying:

Im just trying to imply that a random guy in the middle of nowhere back then who lived in society that had a polytheisitc religion (not even christianity or judaism) was able to recite something not only intelligient but organized and even referenced stuff from the bible, torah (in a soicety where almost no one followed a montheistic religion!) and was even able to finish and give better insight to some of the stories in thse books and even involve science that had not been discovered yet.... its kind of amazing. ANd to this day that random guy in the middle of nowhere managed to have over a billion of followers And thats why i follow the relgiion of islam. Because know scientific proof can really answer how such a random illiterate man in a middle of nowhere was able to create something powerful like the quran. It was such aandom and unnatural event. Kind of like how many scientists belive the big bang was just a random and unnatural event. There has to be some kind of magic here. Right?

oh that's simple:  pure unadulterated bullshit.  Believing that "A man of no education did that" is like believing that the HArry Potter universe is real because hey, they said so in the books!  That, and people knew about that shit LOOOONG before the Quaran was written.  It's all just fairtyale hoo-hah, spicing up the story so it sounds more fantastic.  Seriously, human history is littered with this kind of glorification, and a healthy dose of skepticism will get you much farther than blind faith. you believe that because you want to believe it, I can almost certainly assure you it didn't happen that way.  

so now your going to dismiss history and records just to prove your own point? Honestly I didn't blieve Mohammad was illeterate either until I went to World History AP class and learned it from a highly qualified teacher and textbook. BTW the same could be said about science as well.  And no people did not know about it. Galileo was i thik around the 1500s. MOhammad was around 400.



Troll_Whisperer on 31 August 2011
Umos-Cmos said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Umos-Cmos said:

To the OP I would simply ask you to explain to me what salt tastes like.  Assuming I've never tasted something so common as salt, how would you explain to me how it tastes?

It doesn't work like that... salt is something tangible, if never tasted it, you taste it. If it exists you try it. If God exists...

 

If you had never tasted or seen salt or met anyone who had tasted or seen salt or had no salt at all anywhere on Earth to prove it's existence would you believe in this so called 'salt'?

God does exist, prove him.  Just like you would prove what salt tastes like or if you wanted to see if a seed truly sprouts into a plant.  It's not that complicated.  I've experienced the power of God in my life.  I have a lifes worth of experience that you cannot disprove.  I know he exists.  How is this different from the parameters I set for salt?  Surely you could describe something so common as salt.

Because everyone can experience salt but not everyone can experience God...

You're feeling is not backed up by anything and millions of people don't feel the same way. I could describe salt with a lot of proof, I could actually bring it. You're not proving anything.

I never felt anything like God in my life, no one in my family is religious. If you had never been taught about it would you have felt it?

Not that many people are religious in Europe. So it's not just a matter of describing, you need more. I could make up and describe anything I please.



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crissindahouse on 31 August 2011
Umos-Cmos said:

God's DNA is a part of us.  We were created in his image, therefore we have passions and desires.  We are here to learn to master those passions and desires.  Satan is the one putting the dirty thoughts into your mind of all the bad things you want to do with said hot lady.

that sounds not nice. sounds like we are animals in a experimental station, i think i would have to go to jail if i would do that to someone...



Umos-Cmos on 31 August 2011
Troll_Whisperer said:
Umos-Cmos said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Umos-Cmos said:

To the OP I would simply ask you to explain to me what salt tastes like.  Assuming I've never tasted something so common as salt, how would you explain to me how it tastes?

It doesn't work like that... salt is something tangible, if never tasted it, you taste it. If it exists you try it. If God exists...

 

If you had never tasted or seen salt or met anyone who had tasted or seen salt or had no salt at all anywhere on Earth to prove it's existence would you believe in this so called 'salt'?

God does exist, prove him.  Just like you would prove what salt tastes like or if you wanted to see if a seed truly sprouts into a plant.  It's not that complicated.  I've experienced the power of God in my life.  I have a lifes worth of experience that you cannot disprove.  I know he exists.  How is this different from the parameters I set for salt?  Surely you could describe something so common as salt.

Because everyone can experience salt but not everyone can experience God...

You're feeling is not backed up by anything and millions of people don't feel the same way. I could describe salt with a lot of proof, I could actually bring it. You're not proving anything.

I never felt anything like God in my life, no one in my family is religious. If you had never been taught about it would you have felt it?

Not that many people are religious in Europe. So it's not just a matter of describing, you need more. I could make up and describe anything I please.

False.  Everyone CAN experience God.  Do you really want to know how or are you just trolling me?  I'd be glad to tell you how if you'd like.  The fact that it is impossible to describe what salt tastes like to someone that has never tried it illustrates my point.  Unless you try it yourself, you cannont really know.  In this same way, I have put God to the test and proved him.  He has made himself evident to me.  It's all the evidence I need.  If you have a true desire to know God he has provided a way for you to get to know him.



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