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Killiana1a said:

As far as the treatment of women as equals, treating homosexuals with dignity and forgiving those who have engaged in adulterous conduct, I would take the Southern Baptist from Mississippi over the Sunni Muslim from Riyadh anyday of the week. The Baptist may give me a good lecture, but he sure as crap won't take my sister out into the middle of nowhere during the middle of the night and cut off her nose just because she tried to escape an unhappy marriage.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother, but I'll just point out the most glaring flaw in your "analysis":

The underlined - ever heard of a process called a "divorce"?



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sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:
pezus said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:

I don't think anyone gets what you are saying. Your comments are incoherent, have no logic, and your spelling is atrocious.


yup my typing is bad,i type way too fast and don't see or recheck.

nobody has to get it,just you have to get as you are the one quoting to which replied to you should understand the relation

people don't submit to slavery happily but they do submit,how else does it happen?

THEY GET THROWN ON BOATS AND ARE TRANSPORTED OVER THE ATLANTIC DURING WHICH TIME HALF OF THEM DIE DUE TO CONDITIONS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I WONT EVEN USE COMMAS OR FULL STOPS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERES NO WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

alrigth i will improve my typing

they get thrown,why don't people from other other countries got thrown?cause they stand up or die in fighting for their right

who threw them?many of their own people

 

their own people betray them,they don't stand up,they don't fight.who's faut is it?their poor condition is because of themselves as much as it is blamed on the rulers

life is not fair,there are no human rights naturally and their never can be peace as that will always require a compromise

Who says they don't fight? Most of the time they fight and lose and see no way of winning.


He's convinced people are poor because they choose to live in poverty, and that the millions of slaves shipped to America (for instance) did so by choice.

I'm not replying to him again since he has no idea what he's talking about and has been digging an ever-deepening hole for himself. Pathetic.

Honestly, he sounds like many right wing people from the US regarding those issues (poor people are to blame because they're poor, slaves are to blame because they were enslaved etc.)


We'll see what they say as they gradually slip into poverty. Life sure has a sense of irony.



Dr.Grass said:
sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:
pezus said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:

I don't think anyone gets what you are saying. Your comments are incoherent, have no logic, and your spelling is atrocious.


yup my typing is bad,i type way too fast and don't see or recheck.

nobody has to get it,just you have to get as you are the one quoting to which replied to you should understand the relation

people don't submit to slavery happily but they do submit,how else does it happen?

THEY GET THROWN ON BOATS AND ARE TRANSPORTED OVER THE ATLANTIC DURING WHICH TIME HALF OF THEM DIE DUE TO CONDITIONS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I WONT EVEN USE COMMAS OR FULL STOPS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERES NO WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

alrigth i will improve my typing

they get thrown,why don't people from other other countries got thrown?cause they stand up or die in fighting for their right

who threw them?many of their own people

 

their own people betray them,they don't stand up,they don't fight.who's faut is it?their poor condition is because of themselves as much as it is blamed on the rulers

life is not fair,there are no human rights naturally and their never can be peace as that will always require a compromise

Who says they don't fight? Most of the time they fight and lose and see no way of winning.


He's convinced people are poor because they choose to live in poverty, and that the millions of slaves shipped to America (for instance) did so by choice.

I'm not replying to him again since he has no idea what he's talking about and has been digging an ever-deepening hole for himself. Pathetic.

Honestly, he sounds like many right wing people from the US regarding those issues (poor people are to blame because they're poor, slaves are to blame because they were enslaved etc.)


We'll see what they say as they gradually slip into poverty. Life sure has a sense of irony.

This conversation/argument is funny as hell.



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Mr Khan said:
sapphi_snake said:
wilco said:


The household and the congregation. Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that the bible degrades women. Women have their role just as men have their role. Each has responsibilities, but in our modern society some so called progressives have chosen to blur the lines between males and females in the church. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in most modern christianity.

In christianity women were actually considered to be inferior to men. Don't know about actual scriptures, but if you read works of some notable christian philosophers, you'll see that they considered animal excrements above women. The reason why the lines have blurred in churches today is because churches don't wanna alianate people (youcan't get away with treating women as being inferior nowadays).

Now i'm going to need to see citation on that one

The best example I can come up with right now is St. Odo of Cluny, a Catholic saint, and his work Collationum Libri Tres. In that book (page 133) he  sais that beyond women's appearent grace, they have dirtiness inside them, and since men do their best to avoid touching vomit and munure with even their fingertips, why would they even want to hold in their arms a pathetic bag of excrements (i.e., a woman). If you check out the works of all proeminent Christian thinkers and personalities back then, you'll see that they all had similar views.



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osamanobama said:
sapphi_snake said:
wilco said:


The household and the congregation. Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that the bible degrades women. Women have their role just as men have their role. Each has responsibilities, but in our modern society some so called progressives have chosen to blur the lines between males and females in the church. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in most modern christianity.

In christianity women were actually considered to be inferior to men. Don't know about actual scriptures, but if you read works of some notable christian philosophers, you'll see that they considered animal excrements above women. The reason why the lines have blurred in churches today is because churches don't wanna alianate people (youcan't get away with treating women as being inferior nowadays).

if any christian philosophers said that stuff they werent at all Christians, and didnt at all use the bible for any grounding of their opinions. the bible makes it very clear that women arent inferior to men. but they do have different roles

Are you essentially saying that there were no Christians back then? 'Cause this was the view shared by pretty much all Crhistians back then, especially people like important Chruch figures or saints.

And the whole 'they aren't inferior, they have different roles' is quite convenient when men are the ones who hold all the power, and women need men to survive. They have different roles, just the roles aren't equally good. Not to mention that those roles are based on socially constructed gender roles, that do not take into account people's aptitudes and desires.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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Killiana1a said:
sapphi_snake said:
Killiana1a said:

Islam. Is it the eastern version of Mormonism where wannabe alpha males marry submissive wives who want to be abused with their misery condoned by the religious text?

How about the treatment of women wanting to be equal to men, homosexuals wanting to lead a life of dignity and adulterers expressing their marital dissatisfaction in Islam? Why is their misery and death by stoning accepted by the religion while any military movement by Israel is considered justification for jihad?

I have never understood Islam and would love to understand what I consider are gross, unapologetic hypocrisies from those who prescribe to the Islamic faith.

You are aware that christianity was like that not too long ago, right?

Christianity still is depending on how far you drive out in the country. Hell, for me all I need to do is go home to get a heavy dose of evangelical, the Bible will answer all your doubts bullcrap.

As far as the treatment of women as equals, treating homosexuals with dignity and forgiving those who have engaged in adulterous conduct, I would take the Southern Baptist from Mississippi over the Sunni Muslim from Riyadh anyday of the week. The Baptist may give me a good lecture, but he sure as crap won't take my sister out into the middle of nowhere during the middle of the night and cut off her nose just because she tried to escape an unhappy marriage.

That's only because the law doesn't allow them to do that. For example, you can't do that in Turkey, which is a predominantly Muslim country. The reason is because Turkey is a secular country, and not a theocracy, like Iran or Saudi Arabia. You can be sure that if the US were a theocracy you'd see Baptists stoning people to death etc. Secularism is the reason why the West is a nice place to live in, and it's also the reason why Christians don't go around punishing people Bible-style.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

huaxiong90 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Religion didn't really solve things though. People still killed eachother, just sometimes they didn't kill people of the same religion. Religion didn't make a contribution to further differentiate between groups of people (the result being religious conflict).

Hence why I said humanity is just that sick.

Although I don't completely agree regarding not making a contribution to unifying the people. Like for example, Egypt was once one of our biggest enemies in history. I believe contemporary Egypt speaks for itself.

But we will never erase our animal instincts, no matter how hard we try.

Yeah, but what about your relationship with non-muslims? Religion works at unifying people on a local level, but it's certainly not what's gonna bring about world peace.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Dr.Grass said:
sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:
pezus said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:

I don't think anyone gets what you are saying. Your comments are incoherent, have no logic, and your spelling is atrocious.


yup my typing is bad,i type way too fast and don't see or recheck.

nobody has to get it,just you have to get as you are the one quoting to which replied to you should understand the relation

people don't submit to slavery happily but they do submit,how else does it happen?

THEY GET THROWN ON BOATS AND ARE TRANSPORTED OVER THE ATLANTIC DURING WHICH TIME HALF OF THEM DIE DUE TO CONDITIONS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I WONT EVEN USE COMMAS OR FULL STOPS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERES NO WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

alrigth i will improve my typing

they get thrown,why don't people from other other countries got thrown?cause they stand up or die in fighting for their right

who threw them?many of their own people

 

their own people betray them,they don't stand up,they don't fight.who's faut is it?their poor condition is because of themselves as much as it is blamed on the rulers

life is not fair,there are no human rights naturally and their never can be peace as that will always require a compromise

Who says they don't fight? Most of the time they fight and lose and see no way of winning.


He's convinced people are poor because they choose to live in poverty, and that the millions of slaves shipped to America (for instance) did so by choice.

I'm not replying to him again since he has no idea what he's talking about and has been digging an ever-deepening hole for himself. Pathetic.

Honestly, he sounds like many right wing people from the US regarding those issues (poor people are to blame because they're poor, slaves are to blame because they were enslaved etc.)


We'll see what they say as they gradually slip into poverty. Life sure has a sense of irony.

Which may not be that off, considering that the more conservative states in the US are also the ones more likely to require wellfare and other forms of social help.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

There was a cult I read about in Iraq.

They believe that Satan is God and God is Satan. That Satan over through God and sent him to hell, and that God was at war trying to reclaim heaven.

Something like that. I was totally baffled. I mean if God got defeated by the devil and the devil mascaraded as God. Who the heck would follow God? Especially if God condoned acts of terror and such. I mean its totally weird.



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Given most religious people don't really understand their own religion it's hardly surprising that almost all people who are not adherents of a particular religion don't understand it. It's even moreso with cults, as there are normally only about 3 people in any given cult who understand what the cult is about.

The difference between a cult and a religion is merely one of perspective. If you believe in God, then a cult is a quasi-religious movement that does not come from God, and [true] religion does come from God. If you don't believe in God then every religious organisation is a cult.



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