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I don't see them winning in Europe, but you can't expect them to say otherwise.



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First in Europe right Microsoft?How about we start from having if not everything at least a little close to what Usa Canada and the Uk get?Heck we even pay more than most of them!



Seece said:
Some key points

They plan to be #1 in Europe, by better focusing on different regions, spending a lot on advertising and not just concentrating on success in the countries they're successful in (UK, France ect) they say looking at Europe as one place like NA, is a naive move.

In regards to PS3 price cut, the reponse to moving down price a little was 'no' .. of course that could be bull.


Wasn't Microsoft intent with the Xbox 360 was to be number 1 worldwide to begin with?  And what about Nintendo?  Didn't they forget that they were also competing against them?  Microsoft = scared of the PS3 pricedrop.



kowenicki said:
Europe is NOT what VGC calls EMEAA

Just for clarification.

They arent THAT far behind when you just consider Europe. But yes I think he is talking about a long term aim rather than an immediate goal. Whose to say the nextbox wont win in Europe. I wouldnt bet against it thats for sure.


Well, Europe incl UK, is responsible for about half of the overall EMEAA lead PS3 has over 360. So it's still a substantial lead. And it's a bit old news but don't forget PS3 has been selling for a year less than 360. With equal time on market even in the UK the PS3 would come damn close to evening up the score.

I would certainly bet against nextbox being number 1 in Europe, especially given Wii U is going to have a year or more head start. However, I wouldn't make it a big bet, and I wouldn't put the odds too heavily against nextbox. 60/40 against I'd say. PS3 I'd say 55/45 against. Wii U I'd say 60/40 in favour. They all have a good shot at being number 1. But nextbox is the underdog.

Interesting what they're saying about Kinect. It's stark how different Kinect is performing in Europe compared to the Americas. Number 7 in the Americas this week. Not in the top 40 in Europe. It's definitely spin when talking about the success of Kinect driving sales growth in a Europe context. Because it ain't. In Americas he is totally right Kinect is really keeping 360 sales bouyant, amazingly so IMO.

As to price cut. I think MS are playing a wait and see game. But I think they will see the bottom drop out of 360 sales in Europe. And that will force a price cut on them. In the markets where 360 is strong it'll sustain sales. But elsewhere it'll go down hill. So unless they are happy to remain with good sales in only a few select markets and potentially poor sales in the rest a price cut will be essential by November. They won't have YoY growth without a price cut. Not now.



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kowenicki said:
hellraider said:
First in Europe right Microsoft?How about we start from having if not everything at least a little close to what Usa Canada and the Uk get?Heck we even pay more than most of them!

how is this different to any other company?


PSN's offerings and whatever Nintendo's network offers is nowhere,nowhere near that chaotic different in each region as it is in Live.

 

You know that as a Greek xbox live (gold) user I don't have access to Xbox originals,indies and a big percentage of the DlCs,right?Not to mention services like last.fm(I am not mentioning netflix for example since this is no different to sony and nintendo)etc.Or promotions and other stuff like the recent rewards program.



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kowenicki said:
hellraider said:
kowenicki said:
hellraider said:
First in Europe right Microsoft?How about we start from having if not everything at least a little close to what Usa Canada and the Uk get?Heck we even pay more than most of them!

how is this different to any other company?


PSN's offerings and whatever Nintendo's network offers is nowhere,nowhere near that chaotic different in each region as it is in Live.

 

You know that as a Greek xbox live (gold) user I don't have access to Xbox originals,indies and a big percentage of the DlCs,right?Not to mention services like last.fm(I am not mentioning netflix for example since this is no different to sony and nintendo)etc.Or promotions and other stuff like the recent rewards program.

How was I suppose know you were talking about LIVE?  I thought you were talking about hardware pricing.

I take it LIVE is now actually officially available in Greece, I know it didnt used to be...  so I presume it will be a building process and one which probably wont take off until nextbox.

As an aside... I think some of the content issues will have something to do with Greek infrastructure and Greek service providers as much as anything else.

Oups,my bad not making it clear!

Yup.I'm pretty convinced as well that things won't be really better until after the nextbox comes and whatever happens to next gen live.

But,I'm pretty sure is has nothing to do with Greece's part.If I am not mistaken every country that was included officially on live with the last batch has these problems.Isn't it logical to think that Microsoft is to blame for not caring enough?



Greece is not another planet, it is a country in the EU. Microsoft has problems in nearly all not english speaking countries.
MS had the wrong strategy if there was one.
They built a fantastic entertainment system in US, a perhaps good one in UK and did nearly nothing in the rest of europe.
For example, there still is no Kinect voice recognition. I don't understand why they didn't enable the english voice control on all systems.



Seece said:
Some key points

They plan to be #1 in Europe, by better focusing on different regions, spending a lot on advertising and not just concentrating on success in the countries they're successful in (UK, France ect) they say looking at Europe as one place like NA, is a naive move.

As a person who lives in that rest of Europe all i have to say is ehehehehe that was good joke.

Or maybe not translating children friendly games like kinectimals into Polish is part of their focusing on regions plan? :)

 

To me considering what activity I see on their part (or maybe rather in this case more correct form would "don't see") it sounds like PR bullshit to fool investors in western europe/usa.



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kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Seece said:
Some key points

They plan to be #1 in Europe, by better focusing on different regions, spending a lot on advertising and not just concentrating on success in the countries they're successful in (UK, France ect) they say looking at Europe as one place like NA, is a naive move.

As a person who lives in that rest of Europe all i have to say is ehehehehe that was good joke.

Or maybe not translating children friendly games like kinectimals into Polish is part of their focusing on regions plan? :)

 

To me considering what activity I see on their part (or maybe rather in this case more correct form would "don't see") it sounds like PR bullshit to fool investors in western europe/usa.

how far ahead do you think Sony is in the whole of Europe in % terms for sales?

No idea but for Poland it's around 310-330k PS3 to 220-250k X360 and even then most of that good ratio comes from times before slim where X360 had clear price advantage and took all those PS2 users who didn't like to pay their software.



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Finnbar said:
They would be stupid to say there was a cut coming.

and they'd be stupid to cut price while they are selling so well