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The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.



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DarthVolod said:

I said "drastically reduce" not "eliminate" the military. Yes, the U.S. has enemies, but nothing on the scale that would justify the current size of the U.S. military.

are you kidding,theere are big problems under the bed.

also to maintain USA's economic status,they have to keep other countries down or US wealth be at risk in the long term

This is not World War II or even the Cold War era. There is no logic behind the U.S. military bases scattered across the globe except to, as you pointed out, create more enemies.

thats the problem that USA's economics and military aid each other

Your opinion on porn actors is a generalization which is beside the point. Porn actors can, if abused by co-stars or other staff, report the problem to the authorities.

but the problem isn't that,its the effect on culture.

young people try to do this kind of things as they think of it as THE thing

and that creates cultural problems

Prostitution is different. I don't think anyone would argue that legalization of prostitution would make the practice less safe.

its not about being safe,its USA's emphasis on freedom that causes problem and now its also effecting the whole world cause of global economy

Whether or not one should even become a prostitute or porn star in the first place is irrelevant.This is a matter of rights in that a woman (or man) ought to be allowed to utilize their property (our bodies being the first property we aquire) for whatever purpose they so desire so long as they consent to it, and there is no initiation of force against another person.

that right is worldwide applicable but you don't see places where edication and culture are taken care of.

u won't see the same degradation of women in europe,aussie,china

At least, be consistent ... if we have no rights over our own bodies then abortion should be illegal as well as pretty much everything else we do with our bodies like practice free speech, pursue happiness, and so on.

not talking about rights but how culture,education and rights correlate





sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.



Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

I support changing the clause also.  Some people seem to cry foul but I can't see what the big fuss about requiring at least one of the parents to be a legal citizen.  I am pretty sure most countries have something similar to this or perhaps more strict.  This would prevent the "anchor babies" or what I like to call the walk and drop (walk across the border and drop off the kid).  Just because one can cross a border and have a kid shouldn't make that child an automatic USA citizen (when both parents aren't even US citizens).



Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

Agreed



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sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

I support changing the clause also.  Some people seem to cry foul but I can't see what the big fuss about requiring at least one of the parents to be a legal citizen.  I am pretty sure most countries have something similar to this or perhaps more strict.  This would prevent the "anchor babies" or what I like to call the walk and drop (walk across the border and drop off the kid).  Just because one can cross a border and have a kid shouldn't make that child an automatic USA citizen (when both parents aren't even US citizens).

No the constitution clearly states ANYONE born in U.S territory. It's not time to add exceptions. 



 

        

dany612 said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

I support changing the clause also.  Some people seem to cry foul but I can't see what the big fuss about requiring at least one of the parents to be a legal citizen.  I am pretty sure most countries have something similar to this or perhaps more strict.  This would prevent the "anchor babies" or what I like to call the walk and drop (walk across the border and drop off the kid).  Just because one can cross a border and have a kid shouldn't make that child an automatic USA citizen (when both parents aren't even US citizens).

No the constitution clearly states ANYONE born in U.S territory. It's not time to add exceptions. 


Its an amendment to make sure white southerners couldn't disenfranchise blacks after the civil war. And it can be amended again. Its a law that doesn't make sense in our world. 



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dany612 said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

I support changing the clause also.  Some people seem to cry foul but I can't see what the big fuss about requiring at least one of the parents to be a legal citizen.  I am pretty sure most countries have something similar to this or perhaps more strict.  This would prevent the "anchor babies" or what I like to call the walk and drop (walk across the border and drop off the kid).  Just because one can cross a border and have a kid shouldn't make that child an automatic USA citizen (when both parents aren't even US citizens).

No the constitution clearly states ANYONE born in U.S territory. It's not time to add exceptions. 

it was clearly meant to make former slaves citizens. not people who break our laws and have anchor babies



leatherhat said:
dany612 said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

The way to fight illegal immigration would be to go after the businesses and fine them more than the slap on the wrist they get now.  The idea of making all 11 million illegal immigrants legal is pure idiotic.  It was done under Reagan and that didn't solve anything.  Most of the thinking seems to just try and patch the problem rather than address it with actual solutions.  Crying that it is unfair to break families apart when they are breaking the law is about as dumb as fighting the war on drugs.


I'd just adress that by getting rid of the "Natural born" clause with "Born in this country while one of your parents is here legally."

Going after buisnesses would help, but I don't think it's a cure all either since a lot of people come here without expectation of employment from some under the table company, I think you really do need a couple walls on both borders.

I support changing the clause also.  Some people seem to cry foul but I can't see what the big fuss about requiring at least one of the parents to be a legal citizen.  I am pretty sure most countries have something similar to this or perhaps more strict.  This would prevent the "anchor babies" or what I like to call the walk and drop (walk across the border and drop off the kid).  Just because one can cross a border and have a kid shouldn't make that child an automatic USA citizen (when both parents aren't even US citizens).

No the constitution clearly states ANYONE born in U.S territory. It's not time to add exceptions. 


Its an amendment to make sure white southerners couldn't disenfranchise blacks after the civil war. And it can be amended again. Its a law that doesn't make sense in our world. 

It makes perfect sense. If you are born in the U.S, you are an American. Do you know of the negatives that can come up with by removing that right to citizenship for those children? Why we are at it why not disamericanize all anchor babies who as of now are citizens? Doing this isn't as simple. The discrimination that could happen to pregnant latinos at the hospital. Simply why should we change-just because their parents are illegal? The federal government will almost never change this amendment.



 

        

dany612 said:

I don't see much harm that illegal immigration has caused, minor at best excluded crimes-which don't constitute a large percentage at all. I commend this.

 

So you are ok with these CRIMINALS breaking our immagration laws, violating our tax code, and stealing identities? You also don't have a problem with businesses paying these guys pennies for doing hard manual labor. I guess you really don't care about the well being of these people, and you don't care for our laws. I poo poo you.

At any rate, this is so like Obama,  just keep dumping buckets of water over the  side of the sinking ship and ignore the gaping hole in the hull. Seriously, We can't deport all the illegals, so I am inclined to be ok with this ONLY if we actually get our borders under control however, that's not going to happen under President "it's not my fault". Now, our immigration process also needs to be revised, but Obama isn't going to do that, Illegals WILL vote Democrat because they foolishly believe that the Democrats in power give a crap about them. This is yet another example of how Democrats/liberals/progressives in power don't give a damn about human rights, they just want to build their voter base, at all costs. There blatent disreguard for the well being of their fellow man is dispicable, and it pisses me off.



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