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FIrst of all there are over half a dozen allied countries that lost more men than Canada in war. Second I find it quite annoying you are mad your country isn't mentioned much in a conflict that destroyed most of Europe and a good portion of Asia. I appreciate what Canada did to the ally effort, but seriously you are treating WW2 involvement like some type of accolade. So many countries sacrificed so much more and had their countries destroyed as the United States, Great Britain, and Canada waited for the Russians and Germans to kill each other to minimize their own military casualties, which is perfectly fine considering Germany wasn't a direct threat to your countries, but don't expect people to remember your country for your valiant patience. I'm exaggerating a bit, but far less then your did on your post. I mean WW2 would have been lost without Canada??? Seriously???



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kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Look at it like this. Canada was and still is part of the British Empire and therefor Canada was part of the British forces and therefor when anyone mentions what the English did you can just pretend they mean the British.

The first step in gaining a reputation as big as the USA is kicking the English out of your country. The world will continue to see Canada as England's toady for as long as the Queen is Canada's head of state.

Good luck with your revolution.

lol if you believe that you are ignorant as hell, and the USA lost to a third world country that's how bad their military is.

A. I was being cheeky.

B. I find it hilarious that you'd call anyone ignorant while making statement like that.

 

On another topic. Maybe Canada gets forgotten because it has 1/10th the population of the USA. For every Canadian who wants to see a Canadian focused war movie there are 10 Americans buying tickets to an American focused war movie. It probably doesn't help that over 90% of the population live within about 100 miles of the US border, shop, and vacation in the USA, and generally get mistaken for Americans when visiting abroad.

If every Canadian couple had 20 kids Canada would have the same population as the USA in the span of one generation. That would mean Canada would probably have a film industry on par with the USA and they'd be able to make as many Canadian war movies as they want.

Have fun making babies.

I'm not ignorant you are just more ignorant then I thought look up your own military history, USA has sucked in just about every battle it's been in, it only wins by having overwelming forces and even then they sustain a hell of alot more losses then they should. The reason isn't population it's that americans control the media that's it.



Joelcool7 said:
yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:

Alright so this is a major beef I have with the game and film industries. Canada always gets made fun of picked on and such. Never does Canada actually get credit for what they did in WWI, WWII, Cold War Era, Korea...etc....etc... America always takes all the credit. Infact CoD3 was the first game and the last that I know of to actually have Canadian's mentioned and active in the game.

Infact in WWII Canada had the third largest Navy in the world and one of the largest armed forces. If it weren't for Canada WWII probably would have been lost. Canada was responsable for Liberating a shit load of Europe. Yet the movies and games based on WWII always mention America and Britian sometimes even the French militaries. But what about Canada?

I find it so irritating that Canada played such a huge role in almost every major conflict this century yet nobody recognizes their contributions. Now I get it that in Europe their are mass cemetaries with Canadian soldiers and that in Europe some countries are very grateful. But it seems for the most part that everybody remembers what American's have done, what the British have done. What France what Russia etc...etc...

But Canada is almost always left out. The only times we really get mentioned is when Canadian film makers make a war movie. But even in Canada often film makers would rather glorify the mighty American's in WWII rather then give the credit that is due to our men and women in uniform.

Its so angering knowing soldiers from my country gave their lives in service and they aren't even given credit in video games or movies!

Although I understand your perspective and agree with most of what you say the bolded is very unlikely.


Well D-day wouldn't have happened or been successful without Canada. The Allies tested the German defences and ran a test D-Day on Dieppe sending in 6,500 Canadians to land on a beach. They got massacred and the allies retreated learning alot about the german defences. Then Canada was in charge of landing off Juno Beach one of the beaches of D-Day. Also don't forget that Canada pretty much liberated the Netherlands (Holland). Also with the third largest Navy in the world Canada is hugely responsable for keeping Britians ass safe. Also the Canadian Navy prevented the German's from controlling the North Atlantic and protected all those American ships headed to Europe.

Without Canada WWII could have ended very differently for the allies.

kain_kusanagi said:
 

If every Canadian couple had 20 kids Canada would have the same population as the USA in the span of one generation. That would mean Canada would probably have a film industry on par with the USA and they'd be able to make as many Canadian war movies as they want.

Have fun making babies.


Umm you do realize Vancouver British Columbia is called Hollywood North and often refered to as home to the third largest film producing districts of the world. Infact a ton of your American movies are made right here in British Columbia and if they aren't then their likely made in Toronto or Montreal. Canada produces almost as many if not more hollywood movies then Hollywood does. But your right our market is much smaller then the US. But why should Canadian companies and all the other companies always pander to America? Same goes for game companies Canada is what third largest game producing country in the world right behind Japan and the US. So where are our Canadian content and why do we still not get mentioned?


You answered your own question. All those movies are funded by Hollywood. Canada isn't pandering to America. Hollywood is just hiring Canada to avoid paying American teamsters in Hollywood. I live in Oregon and it's the same here. Lots of movies and TV shows get filmed outside of LA because Unions are crippling profit margins. If you want films that glorify Canada then there needs to be consumer demand for it. America has the bigger demand and therefore Hollywood invests in films that glorify America. America's consumer demand around ten times that of Canada. It's just a matter of dollars verses loonies and there are more north americans who spend dollars than spend loonies.



IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Look at it like this. Canada was and still is part of the British Empire and therefor Canada was part of the British forces and therefor when anyone mentions what the English did you can just pretend they mean the British.

The first step in gaining a reputation as big as the USA is kicking the English out of your country. The world will continue to see Canada as England's toady for as long as the Queen is Canada's head of state.

Good luck with your revolution.

lol if you believe that you are ignorant as hell, and the USA lost to a third world country that's how bad their military is.

A. I was being cheeky.

B. I find it hilarious that you'd call anyone ignorant while making statement like that.

 

On another topic. Maybe Canada gets forgotten because it has 1/10th the population of the USA. For every Canadian who wants to see a Canadian focused war movie there are 10 Americans buying tickets to an American focused war movie. It probably doesn't help that over 90% of the population live within about 100 miles of the US border, shop, and vacation in the USA, and generally get mistaken for Americans when visiting abroad.

If every Canadian couple had 20 kids Canada would have the same population as the USA in the span of one generation. That would mean Canada would probably have a film industry on par with the USA and they'd be able to make as many Canadian war movies as they want.

Have fun making babies.

I' not ignorant you are just more ignorant then I thought look up your own military history, USA has sucked in just about every battle it's been in, it only wins by having overwelming forces and even then they sustain a hell of alot more losses then they should. The reason isn't population it's that americans control the media that's it.

I don't know where you get your anti-American information or why you seem to have an attitude about the USA vs Canada. Lord knows the world is full of people that love to hate the USA and tend to post less than impartial information on the subjest. But as far as unbias comparison of military strength, feel free to check out the following link: http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Of course you are free to disregard that information, insult me, my country, the wars my father, and grandfather, and family fought for freedom in and continue to belital the military my brother and friends are in today that continues to defend liberty and justice throughout the world. You are free to hate America as much as you want since Canada is perfect in every way and American is clearly an evil conspiracy to create suffering through the world and Canada should just take over and run the whole world so everyone can be perfect Canadians too.

You may have mistaken my humor for insults. Sorry about that, but sarcasm is difficult to convey in text. To remedy that I suggest you remove the chip on your shoulder on the topic of US/Canada relations and grow a sense of humor about yanks and canucks, who by the way aren't all that different.

Contrary to popular belief the US doesn't control the media, not even the media in the USA. American's media has an American perspective just like Canadian media has a Canadian perspective or Australia has an Australian perspective. That's to be expected. Venezuela is another story altogether though.

I should tell you a secret. I happen to love and respect Canada and have visited many times and will, I'm sure, many times more. There, the truth is out. I feel better now, almost liberated.

The USA and Canada are like best friends, and we should be friends too. We share the longest unprotected border in the world and our economies are linked closer than probably any other soverenties. Plus we are both gamers who happen to live in the same hemesphere and speak the same language. We may have even played Halo on the same team and not even known it. We shouldn't be arguing about who's country is better when both are pretty damn good countries with pretty damn good militaries both rated in the top 30. It's not a pissing contest. Our nations wouldn't hesitate to defend each other.

I didn't want to argue about this, but you insulted my country and the military that defends it of whom my family and friends are part of. You weren't joking or being ironic, you were being serious and melicious. I've now said my peace on the subject and I will leave you be.



welshbloke said:
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Without Canada and in fact the commonwealth forces in total I am not so sure the US would of had anything to come to rescue too so in that respect you could say without them the outcome would of been completely different. Also the war even with the US War machine was not so clear cut even at this point and had the Axis powers made some different decisions the result could easily of been very different.


I'm calling bullshit on both your claims...  The real reason why Germany was defeated was Russia (with an incredible T-34 production that Germany could never match).  USA, Canada, England, etc.. helped but the Eastern front is where the war was decided.  If Germany defeated Russia early then the war would have been very different.  I am still amazed that Japan tried to limit combat with Russia and go after USA.  Germany and Japan should have attacked Russia at the same time which would have put Russia on two fronts.  Of course USA helped the most in the Pacific theater (with other Commonwealth nations helping a lot also).  Russia at the end attacked Japan holdings in Manchuria quickly overrunning them.



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your talking about Americas hat right lol!

you don't hear much about Canada which is sad. the only thing's i know about Canada are Trish Stratus (Patricia Anne Stratigias)and spiffiness.



Joelcool7 said:
yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:

Alright so this is a major beef I have with the game and film industries. Canada always gets made fun of picked on and such. Never does Canada actually get credit for what they did in WWI, WWII, Cold War Era, Korea...etc....etc... America always takes all the credit. Infact CoD3 was the first game and the last that I know of to actually have Canadian's mentioned and active in the game.

Infact in WWII Canada had the third largest Navy in the world and one of the largest armed forces. If it weren't for Canada WWII probably would have been lost. Canada was responsable for Liberating a shit load of Europe. Yet the movies and games based on WWII always mention America and Britian sometimes even the French militaries. But what about Canada?

I find it so irritating that Canada played such a huge role in almost every major conflict this century yet nobody recognizes their contributions. Now I get it that in Europe their are mass cemetaries with Canadian soldiers and that in Europe some countries are very grateful. But it seems for the most part that everybody remembers what American's have done, what the British have done. What France what Russia etc...etc...

But Canada is almost always left out. The only times we really get mentioned is when Canadian film makers make a war movie. But even in Canada often film makers would rather glorify the mighty American's in WWII rather then give the credit that is due to our men and women in uniform.

Its so angering knowing soldiers from my country gave their lives in service and they aren't even given credit in video games or movies!

Although I understand your perspective and agree with most of what you say the bolded is very unlikely.


Well D-day wouldn't have happened or been successful without Canada. The Allies tested the German defences and ran a test D-Day on Dieppe sending in 6,500 Canadians to land on a beach. They got massacred and the allies retreated learning alot about the german defences. Then Canada was in charge of landing off Juno Beach one of the beaches of D-Day. Also don't forget that Canada pretty much liberated the Netherlands (Holland). Also with the third largest Navy in the world Canada is hugely responsable for keeping Britians ass safe. Also the Canadian Navy prevented the German's from controlling the North Atlantic and protected all those American ships headed to Europe.

Without Canada WWII could have ended very differently for the allies.


Don't get me wrong I fully believe WWII would have gone on for quite a while longer without Canada but to lose to the Axis? Unlikely.



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kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Look at it like this. Canada was and still is part of the British Empire and therefor Canada was part of the British forces and therefor when anyone mentions what the English did you can just pretend they mean the British.

The first step in gaining a reputation as big as the USA is kicking the English out of your country. The world will continue to see Canada as England's toady for as long as the Queen is Canada's head of state.

Good luck with your revolution.

lol if you believe that you are ignorant as hell, and the USA lost to a third world country that's how bad their military is.

A. I was being cheeky.

B. I find it hilarious that you'd call anyone ignorant while making statement like that.

 

On another topic. Maybe Canada gets forgotten because it has 1/10th the population of the USA. For every Canadian who wants to see a Canadian focused war movie there are 10 Americans buying tickets to an American focused war movie. It probably doesn't help that over 90% of the population live within about 100 miles of the US border, shop, and vacation in the USA, and generally get mistaken for Americans when visiting abroad.

If every Canadian couple had 20 kids Canada would have the same population as the USA in the span of one generation. That would mean Canada would probably have a film industry on par with the USA and they'd be able to make as many Canadian war movies as they want.

Have fun making babies.

I' not ignorant you are just more ignorant then I thought look up your own military history, USA has sucked in just about every battle it's been in, it only wins by having overwelming forces and even then they sustain a hell of alot more losses then they should. The reason isn't population it's that americans control the media that's it.

I don't know where you get your anti-American information or why you seem to have an attitude about the USA vs Canada. Lord knows the world is full of people that love to hate the USA and tend to post less than impartial information on the subjest. But as far as unbias comparison of military strength, feel free to check out the following link: http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Of course you are free to disregard that information, insult me, my country, the wars my father, and grandfather, and family fought for freedom in and continue to belital the military my brother and friends are in today that continues to defend liberty and justice throughout the world. You are free to hate America as much as you want since Canada is perfect in every way and American is clearly an evil conspiracy to create suffering through the world and Canada should just take over and run the whole world so everyone can be perfect Canadians too.

You may have mistaken my humor for insults. Sorry about that, but sarcasm is difficult to convey in text. To remedy that I suggest you remove the chip on your shoulder on the topic of US/Canada relations and grow a sense of humor about yanks and canucks, who by the way aren't all that different.

Contrary to popular belief the US doesn't control the media, not even the media in the USA. American's media has an American perspective just like Canadian media has a Canadian perspective or Australia has an Australian perspective. That's to be expected. Venezuela is another story altogether though.

I should tell you a secret. I happen to love and respect Canada and have visited many times and will, I'm sure, many times more. There, the truth is out. I feel better now, almost liberated.

The USA and Canada are like best friends, and we should be friends too. We share the longest unprotected border in the world and our economies are linked closer than probably any other soverenties. Plus we are both gamers who happen to live in the same hemesphere and speak the same language. We may have even played Halo on the same team and not even known it. We shouldn't be arguing about who's country is better when both are pretty damn good countries with pretty damn good militaries both rated in the top 30. It's not a pissing contest. Our nations wouldn't hesitate to defend each other.

I didn't want to argue about this, but you insulted my country and the military that defends it of whom my family and friends are part of. You weren't joking or being ironic, you were being serious and melicious. I've now said my peace on the subject and I will leave you be.

That's just troops and armorments it has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of the military, the USA lost to vietnam, they had far more military strength and still lost badly, the USA has sucked in every major battle they have been in despite having the advantage, so again look at military history and educate yourself. And the whole USA fighting for freedom is such a joke, they didn't enter the world wars until years after they began and they invade thrid world countries and bomb things for no good reason most of the time too. They take heavy losses despite having a massive advantage in military strength and their military spending and sheer stupidity is the reason the world is on the verge of ecnomical collapse. People who dislike the USA dislike it for very good reason.



yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:
yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:

Alright so this is a major beef I have with the game and film industries. Canada always gets made fun of picked on and such. Never does Canada actually get credit for what they did in WWI, WWII, Cold War Era, Korea...etc....etc... America always takes all the credit. Infact CoD3 was the first game and the last that I know of to actually have Canadian's mentioned and active in the game.

Infact in WWII Canada had the third largest Navy in the world and one of the largest armed forces. If it weren't for Canada WWII probably would have been lost. Canada was responsable for Liberating a shit load of Europe. Yet the movies and games based on WWII always mention America and Britian sometimes even the French militaries. But what about Canada?

I find it so irritating that Canada played such a huge role in almost every major conflict this century yet nobody recognizes their contributions. Now I get it that in Europe their are mass cemetaries with Canadian soldiers and that in Europe some countries are very grateful. But it seems for the most part that everybody remembers what American's have done, what the British have done. What France what Russia etc...etc...

But Canada is almost always left out. The only times we really get mentioned is when Canadian film makers make a war movie. But even in Canada often film makers would rather glorify the mighty American's in WWII rather then give the credit that is due to our men and women in uniform.

Its so angering knowing soldiers from my country gave their lives in service and they aren't even given credit in video games or movies!

Although I understand your perspective and agree with most of what you say the bolded is very unlikely.


Well D-day wouldn't have happened or been successful without Canada. The Allies tested the German defences and ran a test D-Day on Dieppe sending in 6,500 Canadians to land on a beach. They got massacred and the allies retreated learning alot about the german defences. Then Canada was in charge of landing off Juno Beach one of the beaches of D-Day. Also don't forget that Canada pretty much liberated the Netherlands (Holland). Also with the third largest Navy in the world Canada is hugely responsable for keeping Britians ass safe. Also the Canadian Navy prevented the German's from controlling the North Atlantic and protected all those American ships headed to Europe.

Without Canada WWII could have ended very differently for the allies.


Don't get me wrong I fully believe WWII would have gone on for quite a while longer without Canada but to lose to the Axis? Unlikely.

It's hard to say either way, Canada always does alot more then people realize in military conflicts but hitler was kinda insane and not very sound of mind, he had a treaty with russia and he broke it and caused german to fight on two fronts which is just plain stupid, I'm not one for patience but it's much easier to fight one guy at a time then 2 at once so it's hard to say hilter could of gotten more crazy or he might of kept it together more because german was doing better in the war.