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kickazz113 said:
ill say republic, since democrat didnt do much to the government


The Democrats gave you unions, overtime, SS, medicare, weekends, medicade, insurance and the list goes on and on. Repubicans are like the grinch.

So what where you saying. Plus the gov. is run by republiCONS right now. They held the debt limit captive which would have made the depression look like a easy sunday morning. You have no clue.



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bannedagain said:
mrstickball said:

Then get 2, 20 hour a week jobs :-p


sure because you can schedule that right in.  LOL. Then one company will not want to work with the other companies hours. Remember all those companies don't ever give set schedule.  They got to through you though a loop. To F you just that much more. that way you can't plan or get another job.

If the company values you, you can. I know many people that have juggled two part-time jobs in order to get 40+ hours a week.


The Democrats gave you unions, overtime, SS, medicare, weekends, medicade, insurance and the list goes on and on. Repubicans are like the grinch.

So what where you saying. Plus the gov. is run by republiCONS right now. They held the debt limit captive which would have made the depression look like a easy sunday morning. You have no clue.

And its many of those same reasons that jobs are leaving America. Unions gave us inflated worker costs which destroyed the American auto industry. Social Security gave us a horrible pension plan that allows government to take tax monies and spend it on government debt. Medicare pegs health care to specific monetary values, ensuring companies bilk the system for money as well as increased costs to do business with the government (same with Medicaid).

Republicans aren't like the grinch. Republicans are usually the ones that run the business that know how hard it is to run a business while external forces (the government) continue to hamper, hinder, and reduce your margins which force you to do business overseas just to scrape by. Certainly, they are far from perfect, but to champion Democrats as the thing as all that is right with America shows a true lack of understanding of the economy.

 

Run a business for a few years, and see how over-zealous regulations and restrictions hurts your company. As I've said before, there is a reason that groups like the NFIB rarely score Democrats high in terms of pro-growth initiatives.

The Democrat mantra is that you have to take money from Peter and invest it in Paul in hopes that you grow the economy. That rarely works, because a few dozen beaurucrats in Washington distributing money to special interest factions rarely will see the same kind of growth and development as ensuring a market where capital is not taken from businesses in the first place, and instead is utilized by 300 million Americans through trade and commerce.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

mrstickball said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
im a liberal independent(wheres that guy that says i'm a dem.)with some republican ideals(i also get hit for that to)

i say a post saying you can't point the finger at just one party, but he didn't say i couldn't so i blame Republican'ts.

i'm not 1billion yr's old so i can only judge wht i've seen and the party of no(Republcian'ts) have hurt this country far more then the dem's.


Just look at the history of both parties as VIper said. Both have been critical to the destruction of the US.

For leaders, you have the following:

Teddy Roosevelt (first significant expansion of government power since Lincoln, massive conservation efforts that allowed government to expand its reaches into parks, massively increased state spending during tenure as well, ect) - Republican

Woodrow Wilson (got America into World War 1, created the Federal Reserve, expanded government greater than any other president before him) - Democrat

Herbert Hoover (helped grow the depression into a disaster by signing Smoot-Hawley among other things. Tried to solve the depression by massive taxation and expansion of government services which had the inverse effect) - Republican

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (the pinnacle of government expansion. CCC, attempted 2nd Bill of Rights, Social Security, New Deal, ect. Supposed savior of the Depression but actually caused a double-dip in 1937)

Lyndon Baynes Johnson, aka LBJ (Vietnam War, Medicare, Medicaid, pretty much lost us Vietnam too due to micromanagement of war - cost tens of thousands of American lives due to Vietnam, and thanks to his expansion of Social Security, has continued to burden us with debt and poor pension choices many years later) - Democrat

Jimmy Carter (stagflation, appeasement, energy crisis, Community Reinvestment Act founded under his administration and totally incompetent as a president) - Democrat

George HW Bush (S&L scandal, raised taxes when he said he wouldn't, ect) - Republican

George W. Bush (Patriot Act, Medicare Part D, Iraq/Afghanistan, TARP, NCLB, began the mess that Obama has accellerated) - Republican

Barak Obama (Stimulus & Recovery Act, ObamaCare, continued massive expansion of government, Libyan Interference, ect) - Democrat

 

These are just the ones off the top of my head. There have been good ones from both parties - Harding, Cooledge, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton. Our mess is the fault of both parties. Both are sides of the same coin. Democrats created the welfare and entitlement state due to FDR and LBJ. Republicans have had a lot of expensive wars after Nixon attempted to finish LBJ's mess in Vietnam and have subtly allowed federal government to grow, despite lying to people as being the party of small government. To argue only one party causes all of the mess is just sheer idiocy. I would personally put the blame as 60% Dem, 40% Republican entirely due to Obama tipping the scales against the Dems in the past 3 years (up through Bush I would have put it at 50/50).

Great presidents have been unseen as of late. I'd only ascribe Grover Cleveland (1888-1892 and 1896-1900) and Hardiong/Cooledge (1920-1928) as being great in my opinion.... With Clinton/Reagan being in the 2nd tier of good ones.

 

What about Richard Nixon?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbwZ2o2ECy0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/thomhartmann#p/u/3/zCEtMQ5wE78



Player1x3 said:

 

What about Richard Nixon?


Nixon is half-and-half to me.

On one end, he got us out of Nam (eventually), and had we not of had the anti-war protestors, would have won the war due to Linebacker and Linebacker II. He also prevented WW3 during the Sino-Soviet Crisis by coming to China's defense by arguing that if the Soviets attacked the Chinese, we would relatiate with nuclear weapons. You also had other mixed bag foreign policy decisions such as supporting Pinochet against Alliende in Chile.

Economically, he did stupid things like institute price controls, the EPA, and also killed NASA. Then of course you have Watergate.

So overall, I'd put him in the lower tier of presidents. Not quite Carter, LBJ or FDR in the overall scheme of things, but not far away from them, either.



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mrstickball said:
bannedagain said:
mrstickball said:

Then get 2, 20 hour a week jobs :-p


sure because you can schedule that right in.  LOL. Then one company will not want to work with the other companies hours. Remember all those companies don't ever give set schedule.  They got to through you though a loop. To F you just that much more. that way you can't plan or get another job.

If the company values you, you can. I know many people that have juggled two part-time jobs in order to get 40+ hours a week.


The Democrats gave you unions, overtime, SS, medicare, weekends, medicade, insurance and the list goes on and on. Repubicans are like the grinch.

So what where you saying. Plus the gov. is run by republiCONS right now. They held the debt limit captive which would have made the depression look like a easy sunday morning. You have no clue.

And its many of those same reasons that jobs are leaving America. Unions gave us inflated worker costs which destroyed the American auto industry. Social Security gave us a horrible pension plan that allows government to take tax monies and spend it on government debt. Medicare pegs health care to specific monetary values, ensuring companies bilk the system for money as well as increased costs to do business with the government (same with Medicaid).

Republicans aren't like the grinch. Republicans are usually the ones that run the business that know how hard it is to run a business while external forces (the government) continue to hamper, hinder, and reduce your margins which force you to do business overseas just to scrape by. Certainly, they are far from perfect, but to champion Democrats as the thing as all that is right with America shows a true lack of understanding of the economy.

 

Run a business for a few years, and see how over-zealous regulations and restrictions hurts your company. As I've said before, there is a reason that groups like the NFIB rarely score Democrats high in terms of pro-growth initiatives.

The Democrat mantra is that you have to take money from Peter and invest it in Paul in hopes that you grow the economy. That rarely works, because a few dozen beaurucrats in Washington distributing money to special interest factions rarely will see the same kind of growth and development as ensuring a market where capital is not taken from businesses in the first place, and instead is utilized by 300 million Americans through trade and commerce.

http://www.youtube.com/thomhartmann#p/u/3/zCEtMQ5wE78 Watch this smart guy

You are truly mislead. The corporations have been making record profits with all the tax cuts. Where are the jobs then buddy. If the the trickle down effect works.

Corporations left because of loop holes in the tax system. Corperations only care about more profit, not who starves on the bottom.

WHY THEN WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE, WHEN THE RICH PAYED HIGHER TAXES DID THE COUNTRY DO SO WELL. WHEN CORPORATIONS PAYED THERE FAIR SHARE.

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. BUSH TAX CUTS, 2 WARS, CORPERATE DEREGULATION. THE VERY RICH DO BETTER WHEN THE ECCONOMY IS IN THE DUMPS. LIKE THE KOCH BROTHERS.

First of all the country has the money to pay paul. it's called tax fairness, you ever her of it or you where born into wealth and never had to work hard for anything.

I RUN MY OWN BUSINESS.  SO THERE GOES YOUR LOGIC. 

 

COMPANIES DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WORTH WHEN YOU ARE WITH A CORPORATION LIKE WAL-MART. MY SISTER HAS BEEN THERE FOR 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SHE MAKES JUST OVER 10 DOLLARS A HOURS. BECAUSE THEY FIND WAYS TO F YOU.



bannedagain said:
sethnintendo said:
Rath said:
Baalzamon said:
dsage01 said:

Do you think everyone can get a job at Mcdonalds?

Is this HONESTLY all you can say to what I just wrote?  McDonalds is used as a simple example.  That example being if you are working full time, at $8 per hour, a couple will make $32,000 per year.  The point is that nobody who is working full time should be complaining that they can't make it in life.  It is based on their choices, such as buying a house, or wanting a cell phone, or buying a brand new, expensive car, that have made it tough to get by in life.  It isn't because of their income, it is because of their spending.

Unless they have kids. In which case...?

Then they are screwed and depend on the government to provide food stamps, insurance, etc.... 

I see a flaw in the 40 hr McDonalds example. They don't give 40 hours. most large corporations only give 4 hrs a day.  Tjmaxx, wal-mart, you name it. Try and go get 40 hrs from them and see how it works out for you .  It's a joke. You are assuming that people will get the hours. This how they get around not giving you health benefits.

Funny how I know several people who work full time at Walmart, as wel as my brother's fiance, who used to work at LEAST 40 hours per week at her McDonald's.



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mrstickball said:
Player1x3 said:

 

What about Richard Nixon?


Nixon is half-and-half to me.

On one end, he got us out of Nam (eventually), and had we not of had the anti-war protestors, would have won the war due to Linebacker and Linebacker II. He also prevented WW3 during the Sino-Soviet Crisis by coming to China's defense by arguing that if the Soviets attacked the Chinese, we would relatiate with nuclear weapons. You also had other mixed bag foreign policy decisions such as supporting Pinochet against Alliende in Chile.

Economically, he did stupid things like institute price controls, the EPA, and also killed NASA. Then of course you have Watergate.

So overall, I'd put him in the lower tier of presidents. Not quite Carter, LBJ or FDR in the overall scheme of things, but not far away from them, either.

Watergate?



dsage01 said:
maximus22 said:
Wow I always thought Canadians were less misinformed and ignorant of American issues than the rest of the world. This is one of the saddest rants I've ever seen.


Nah we Canadians know about the whole world. While from what I've seen American's think U.S.A = World or the only existing country in this planet

I am american and I think you are right on. Americans are truly dumb and don't learn sh-t



Baalzamon said:
bannedagain said:
sethnintendo said:
Rath said:
Baalzamon said:
dsage01 said:

Do you think everyone can get a job at Mcdonalds?

Is this HONESTLY all you can say to what I just wrote?  McDonalds is used as a simple example.  That example being if you are working full time, at $8 per hour, a couple will make $32,000 per year.  The point is that nobody who is working full time should be complaining that they can't make it in life.  It is based on their choices, such as buying a house, or wanting a cell phone, or buying a brand new, expensive car, that have made it tough to get by in life.  It isn't because of their income, it is because of their spending.

Unless they have kids. In which case...?

Then they are screwed and depend on the government to provide food stamps, insurance, etc.... 

I see a flaw in the 40 hr McDonalds example. They don't give 40 hours. most large corporations only give 4 hrs a day.  Tjmaxx, wal-mart, you name it. Try and go get 40 hrs from them and see how it works out for you .  It's a joke. You are assuming that people will get the hours. This how they get around not giving you health benefits.

Funny how I know several people who work full time at Walmart, as wel as my brother's fiance, who used to work at LEAST 40 hours per week at her McDonald's.


I can see that your one of the cows that walks himself right into the staughter house.   You have no clue. you truly don't .

No one gets atleast 40 hours a week at wal-mart because they don't pay overtime. So how many people get that 40 hours as to the ones who don't. there is a big difference in the people who do and don't.  I'm done getting less intelligent by talking to you.