It has taken the PS3 almost 5 years to claw back the XBox 360s one year head start and draw level with 360. XBox 360 has done well to stay in front of the PS3 in total lifetime console sales. XBox 360 and PS3 have both sold over 50 million sales. PS3 and XBox 360 will reach 60 million sales later in the year. PS3 to reach second place but still 30 million+ behind the Wii the console market leader.
padib said:
Then if NA is only serviced, why the success in Britain? Also, everybody knows that Japan generally has xenophobia, their disregard for Xbox is not even new to this generation. Last gen they came out with a few exclusive RPGs for that region and it still selled poorly. I could give you leeway on EU but not Japan.
A big difference this year is that this will be the 2nd year for Kinect. Word to mouth has spread from 1st-generation buyers so unsure clients will have friends and families as a reference for the purchse. Also MS as a business is going more aggressive on the casual business, so it should transpire through marketing and ultimately in sales.
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The world is bigger then NA, UK and japan you know, and if Japan is so xenophobic why is apple doing so well there? the UK is the place MS serves the best next to USA, and I'm pretty sure japan didn't get the extended warrenty, and I know non major countries didn't get it who the hell would buy a system that is more likely to break then not and it be full price to replace each time? And live is a joke in japan too, MS gives japan bum deals when it comes to the xbox it's no surprize it doesn't do well
Your assuming word of mouth is going to be all good, people bought kinect on hype and promises, MS still hasn't made good on alot of those promises and this time people won't be buying as blind, there is no way kinect will sell more this year then last and they advertised more agressively last year and still didn't win
Michael-5 said:
XBL isn't on Par in a lot of the world? How and where? You think the Slim boosted 2011 sales, not Kinect or a good Halo? Also, I think everyone interested in Blu-Ray already owns a Blu-Ray player. People will not be buying a PS3 for Blu-Ray nowdays, but you do make a lot of sense. I only question the above 3 comments. |
Forza, Fable 3 hell half of MSes exclusives don't have pal release dates and Alan Wake, too human and kinect sports among others don'thave jp ones
laggy and just not that much service avalaible basically, and pretty much anywhere outside of NA, main cities in EU where there is xbl, unsure of current state of japan xbl i know it was bad but they have been pushing japan recently
Kinect boosted sales for the holidays but that's about it, and I've made this point before but almost everyone thats interested in halo probaly already has a 360, the fact that it's up yoy until the slim release then massively down makes it pretty clear
You'd be surprized blu ray is constantly gaining ground, if ps3 gets a price cut to 200 people who are mildy interested in blu ray and are interested in a gaming system will lean more towards ps3, though at it's current price blu ray isn't much of a selling point
padib said:
I know. That's the point I was trying to make, is that MS is successful in NA and UK despite what you were saying at first, that they were servicing NA more than the others. And moreover, I was trying to show that the reason of lower performance in those countries was more anti-american sentiment on most non-britain countries. It's a known fact especially since the long gone (thank God) Bush administration. I don't even live there and I know it exists. Remember Freedom Fries and all that crap? Anyway, the Europeans don't either seemed as interested in MS' main market (FPS'), the reason being that they are more into constructive games like sports, simulators (not war), arts, party, arcade and stuff. The proof is in the sales of those other European markets (check the charts). Anyway, all that to state the obvious, that even though MS has not made as much headway in those regions, it is still kicking butt. As a far second in the race last generation, they've made huge progress, I think most people forget that. Yes, I'm assuming word of mouth is going to be all good, because that's what happened with the Wii. Did it have anything more than Wii Play and Wii Sports when it came out? I don't remember that being the case. It still managed to be out of stock almost everywhere in the world. As for Japan, Apple is the exception, not the rule. |
You missed a keyword of mine, most, I said most of the rest of the world UK is one of the exceptions, MS only cares about the bigger markets and it shows in their support alot of places get the shalft from MS and the anti american sentiment has no more effect then anti japan sentiment in US people just use it as an excuse when really it's MSes policies and lack of suport
MS has atlot of those games on their system some exclusive
Compared to last gen they are doing better, but the fact remains they are essentially tied for second, if you factor in the extra year ps3 edges 360 out in almost everything , but I don't like comparing to last gen, people seem to have the misguided notion that install bases carry over gens when that couldn't be farther from the truth, MS is doing well but they aren't kicking anyones butt
Wii games are better then kinect games, and people already have a wii so they might not want a kinect, plus wii was cheaper on launch then 360 is now nevermind 360+kinect
What other NA buisnesses do badly in japan other then MS?
| padib said:
No, they don't. The ones they do don't compare to the ones on PS3 or Wii and that's why they're not doing as well in countries like Spain, Germany, France and Italy. And that's aside from the fact that the PS brand is godly in those countries.
Okay, but Kinect is new and more attractive for soccer moms. Sports games are even more engaging than before.
I like to compare to previous gens because it gives a sense of perspective and insight. In terms of a newcomer, they are kicking butt big-time. Nobody expected any of what turned out to happen, so I see it as an over-performance in my book.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/170732458_1.html I didn't read the whole article, but just the 1st paragraph was enough to help me understand I knew what I was talking about. |
1. they do have them and the ones being better on ps3 and wii is MSes own fault, they have very little variety in their quality games
2. Kinect has more appeal then wii? wii is selling more in case you forgot and the sports games on kinect are less engaging because of limited controls and again wii is far cheaper
3. your book is flawed then being the leader last gen isn't an advantage in a new gen infact it can make you compete with yourself (ps2/ps3) and ps1 was a newcommer and managed to take first so put that into perspective, MS is doing better hten they did last gen and Sony's doing worse but MS still isn't kicking anyones butt
4. most of those companies were japanese ones....
Dragon_Lord said:
Forza, Fable 3 hell half of MSes exclusives don't have pal release dates and Alan Wake, too human and kinect sports among others don'thave jp ones laggy and just not that much service avalaible basically, and pretty much anywhere outside of NA, main cities in EU where there is xbl, unsure of current state of japan xbl i know it was bad but they have been pushing japan recently Kinect boosted sales for the holidays but that's about it, and I've made this point before but almost everyone thats interested in halo probaly already has a 360, the fact that it's up yoy until the slim release then massively down makes it pretty clear You'd be surprized blu ray is constantly gaining ground, if ps3 gets a price cut to 200 people who are mildy interested in blu ray and are interested in a gaming system will lean more towards ps3, though at it's current price blu ray isn't much of a selling point |
Forza 3 doesn't have a PAL release date? Half of Forza's market is PAL. Fable released worldwide within 3 days. This is just bs you're spreading about 360 games often not getting localized in the PAL region. Same with Japan, Kinect Sports released worldwide on the game date as Kinect, same with Japan and PAL regions. Too Human was released in Japan before EMEAA, which was only 10 days after Americas, and a similar story for Alan Wake.
That is just BS on 360 exclusives not getting localized. MS is freaken amazing at localizing their games worldwide. How many Japanese games does Nintendo and Sony not localize outside of Japan? A LOT! I'm only aware of 2 360 Japanese games which haven't been localized Espagula and Monster Hunter Frontier.
What supporting proof do you have of XBL being laggy in main cities of EMEAA and in Japan? I can understand rural cities in Africa, but not EMEAA. When the 360 first came out, I played a lot of games of Lost Planet against Japanese gamers, and I had very little lag. When I first picked up Halo 3 I had the chance to play people in South Africa and Tanzania, and I had no lag. Those guys told me the same thing. So what are you basing this off?
As for being up YOY up to the Slim release, that doesn't disprove Kinect and Halo didn't help boost YoY sales. Yes sales are down like 60% week on week, but the Slim just came out. In september, do you honestly feel that 360 won't be back on par with YoY sales? What you are doing is essentially comparing one week of sales, with inflated sales of a past years due to the release of new hardward, and that's just not a fair comparision.
Also most people who bought a 360 for Halo already owned a 360? Did you not see the 100k hardware spike last fall when Halo Reach came out, and the higher stabilization point afterward? Most people in this forum were saying that clearly a new Halo did attract new fans.
As for Blu-Ray gaining ground, I disagree. I know people who bought a PS3 at launch just because it was a cheap Blu-Ray player, and then they bought a game or two for it. Nowdays Sony sells stand alone Blu-Rays for $100, and they are much smaller then the PS3. Anybody slightly interested in Gaming and Blu-Ray will be just as interested in getting an Arcade 360 and a standalone Blu-Ray as they would a base PS3.
You, kind sir, are bending the truth. You are making unfair comparisions all over, and some of what your saying is just untrue, or unfounded opinion.
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Michael-5 said:
Forza 3 doesn't have a PAL release date? Half of Forza's market is PAL. Fable released worldwide within 3 days. This is just bs you're spreading about 360 games often not getting localized in the PAL region. Same with Japan, Kinect Sports released worldwide on the game date as Kinect, same with Japan and PAL regions. Too Human was released in Japan before EMEAA, which was only 10 days after Americas, and a similar story for Alan Wake. That is just BS on 360 exclusives not getting localized. MS is freaken amazing at localizing their games worldwide. How many Japanese games does Nintendo and Sony not localize outside of Japan? A LOT! I'm only aware of 2 360 Japanese games which haven't been localized Espagula and Monster Hunter Frontier. What supporting proof do you have of XBL being laggy in main cities of EMEAA and in Japan? I can understand rural cities in Africa, but not EMEAA. When the 360 first came out, I played a lot of games of Lost Planet against Japanese gamers, and I had very little lag. When I first picked up Halo 3 I had the chance to play people in South Africa and Tanzania, and I had no lag. Those guys told me the same thing. So what are you basing this off? As for being up YOY up to the Slim release, that doesn't disprove Kinect and Halo didn't help boost YoY sales. Yes sales are down like 60% week on week, but the Slim just came out. In september, do you honestly feel that 360 won't be back on par with YoY sales? What you are doing is essentially comparing one week of sales, with inflated sales of a past years due to the release of new hardward, and that's just not a fair comparision. Also most people who bought a 360 for Halo already owned a 360? Did you not see the 100k hardware spike last fall when Halo Reach came out, and the higher stabilization point afterward? Most people in this forum were saying that clearly a new Halo did attract new fans. As for Blu-Ray gaining ground, I disagree. I know people who bought a PS3 at launch just because it was a cheap Blu-Ray player, and then they bought a game or two for it. Nowdays Sony sells stand alone Blu-Rays for $100, and they are much smaller then the PS3. Anybody slightly interested in Gaming and Blu-Ray will be just as interested in getting an Arcade 360 and a standalone Blu-Ray as they would a base PS3. You, kind sir, are bending the truth. You are making unfair comparisions all over, and some of what your saying is just untrue, or unfounded opinion. |
I looked them up and they didn't have the respective release dates, show me your sources
are you just in denial or something, oh no I get it, you call psn laggy when it works great but when live is actually a little laggy and worse then psn you ignore it is that it? Pretty much everywhere besides NA and major EU cities it's worse then psn go compare the two
"do you honestly feel that 360 won't be back on par with YoY sales? " unless it gets a price drop of course it won't be what makes you think it possibly could, sure when games release it will be down less but it won't be up
the 360 arcade isn't going to drop to 100 if ps3 drops to 200, and the arcade has a joke of a harddrive and MS overcharges for it, anyone who does any research knows the 360 arcade is a joke so no your wrong simple as that
making unfair comparisons is all you people do on this site, one guy got banned like a week ago for compensating for the year extra MS had on the market in this thread about published software sales so don't give me that crap, 360 is down for the year and there's good reason it doesn't sell anywhere but NA, and you didn't address my point about the no extended warrenty in other places
padib said:
Yah, eBay is Japanese. Did you even read the article? |
do you know what MOST means? this is the second time you thought it meant all and no after reading a massive of japan companies at the top it seemed irrelevant to your point
| SinZinDetta said: I think software should also factor in who is second place. |
in both hardware and software ps3 on average sells more yearly, MS has sold more of both due to the headstart though
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