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Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
yo_john117 said:

These types of threads are almost always skewed towards what the OP wants to prove and this one doesn't look any different. I hate these feel good threads!

Seece and the others are right...you need to add ALL the first party published sales from the release of the PS3. Do it right or don't do it at all because then it's just a pointless biased comparison.

If you fixed that little problem this would have been a great thread buuuut as usual there's a ulterior motive. Or in fact do an aligned software launch....that would truly be the best way to do this.

Again how exactly is counting sales for an extra years worth of games on one side only more fair, I just don't get your guys logic (or rather lack of), right now we have games that released and sold within a specific time frame the only thing better is choping off MSes last year of sales and comparing it to Sony's now, and I don't have 1 year old numbers for all the games, anything else would just make it lobsided 

Your logic is far worse and people have put it as simply as it needs to be put. You're chopping off more than the first years sales of MS games, you're chopping off a portion in 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 and 2011.

How many times do I have to explain this to you, those games were launched with NO opposition on the ps3 because the ps3 wasn't out, it doesn't matter that they sold in later years, because Sony didn't release anything on ps3 during that year, if they did those games would of sold in recent years too, why don't you understand that? I'm not giving MS a years worth of games headstart and the only reason I can see someone would is to make MS have more sales 

There is no point in carrying on. Let's just put it like this.

First party game sales released since the PS3 launch, are in PS3's favour.

First party game sales since the PS3 launch are in X360's favour.

The latter is the more logical, and what everyone would use in debates, who has sold the most SW since the PS3 launched, nobody would use this as an argument whether you think your way is corret or not, as everyone in this thread has displayed.

In order to say that that's in MSes or Sonys favor you have to compare all ps2 games that sold since the ps3s launch 



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Seece on 25 July 2011
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
yo_john117 said:

These types of threads are almost always skewed towards what the OP wants to prove and this one doesn't look any different. I hate these feel good threads!

Seece and the others are right...you need to add ALL the first party published sales from the release of the PS3. Do it right or don't do it at all because then it's just a pointless biased comparison.

If you fixed that little problem this would have been a great thread buuuut as usual there's a ulterior motive. Or in fact do an aligned software launch....that would truly be the best way to do this.

Again how exactly is counting sales for an extra years worth of games on one side only more fair, I just don't get your guys logic (or rather lack of), right now we have games that released and sold within a specific time frame the only thing better is choping off MSes last year of sales and comparing it to Sony's now, and I don't have 1 year old numbers for all the games, anything else would just make it lobsided 

Your logic is far worse and people have put it as simply as it needs to be put. You're chopping off more than the first years sales of MS games, you're chopping off a portion in 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 and 2011.

How many times do I have to explain this to you, those games were launched with NO opposition on the ps3 because the ps3 wasn't out, it doesn't matter that they sold in later years, because Sony didn't release anything on ps3 during that year, if they did those games would of sold in recent years too, why don't you understand that? I'm not giving MS a years worth of games headstart and the only reason I can see someone would is to make MS have more sales 

There is no point in carrying on. Let's just put it like this.

First party game sales released since the PS3 launch, are in PS3's favour.

First party game sales since the PS3 launch are in X360's favour.

The latter is the more logical, and what everyone would use in debates, who has sold the most SW since the PS3 launched, nobody would use this as an argument whether you think your way is corret or not, as everyone in this thread has displayed.

In order to say that that's in MSes or Sonys favor you have to compare all ps2 games that sold since the ps3s launch 

Overall Sony first party SW wins every single year due to PS2 and PSP, but this thread isn't about that and you know it, you've made this a strictly PS3 Vs. 360 debate.



 

Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
Reasonable said:
Black_Scurge said:
Reasonable said:
Interesting and good list. Personally I'd add Gears due to release dates but I would leave KA out as you noted.

Pretty much confirms a similar state of affair SW to HW - MS has sold more overall in terms of LTD but time adjusted it's pretty even overall, with a slight lead for MS. The major difference is that MS strategy is around a smaller (comparative to Sony but still fairly large in its own right) number of titles and a very small number of huge sellers.

Sony has a smaller number of huge sellers but pushes out a lot more titles (much the same strategy as with PS2, try for blanket coverage of lots of genres/demographics).

Both approaches have their pros and cons and it's interesting to see they come to such a similar result overall.

One thing though, seeing GT5 at the top of the list and still way below its probable LTD you really have to figure Sony should have worked harder to get that title out earlier in the consoles life.

Really, with HW/SW so similar and a similar feature set across both HD consoles now there's just no point hating on whichever HD console you don't own. Not that the core haters will change their tune now, but really, if you dislike the PS3 or 360 and prefer the other you're basically hating on something that's over 90% identical to the thing you love. But that's deindividualism (amongst other things) for you.

I probably would add gears in if it didn't mean having to recalulate the majority of the accumulative 


Just add a total for partial others at the bottom then and another total with that.  Include an estimate of Gears and any other major titles that probably have more than 100K sales after PS3 launch.  Or ask Seece or someone others will trust with that to give you an estimate of partial others and add that.

That way you'll have a total for complete sales titles and a final total including partial sales.

Again, I think the basic idea is good you just need to add in a decent estimate of sales from partial titles such as Gears who got a lot of sales while the PS3 was out.  On a sales site an analysis of first party published makes sense, just try and reduce the amount of flak over the grey areas (there will always be grey areas between 360 and PS3 for a whole host of reasons).

I can not fathom how people can think only including sales of games only MS released before ps3 is fair, because it was only MS who had the opportunity to release them, evne if we cut off first party sales, MS still has more games then they would of had in the same time frame as Sony had. It just doesn't make any freaking sense, the only reason I'd include gears is good faith since it's release was so close to ps3s launch



Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:
yo_john117 said:

These types of threads are almost always skewed towards what the OP wants to prove and this one doesn't look any different. I hate these feel good threads!

Seece and the others are right...you need to add ALL the first party published sales from the release of the PS3. Do it right or don't do it at all because then it's just a pointless biased comparison.

If you fixed that little problem this would have been a great thread buuuut as usual there's a ulterior motive. Or in fact do an aligned software launch....that would truly be the best way to do this.

Again how exactly is counting sales for an extra years worth of games on one side only more fair, I just don't get your guys logic (or rather lack of), right now we have games that released and sold within a specific time frame the only thing better is choping off MSes last year of sales and comparing it to Sony's now, and I don't have 1 year old numbers for all the games, anything else would just make it lobsided 

Your logic is far worse and people have put it as simply as it needs to be put. You're chopping off more than the first years sales of MS games, you're chopping off a portion in 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 and 2011.

How many times do I have to explain this to you, those games were launched with NO opposition on the ps3 because the ps3 wasn't out, it doesn't matter that they sold in later years, because Sony didn't release anything on ps3 during that year, if they did those games would of sold in recent years too, why don't you understand that? I'm not giving MS a years worth of games headstart and the only reason I can see someone would is to make MS have more sales 

There is no point in carrying on. Let's just put it like this.

First party game sales released since the PS3 launch, are in PS3's favour.

First party game sales since the PS3 launch are in X360's favour.

The latter is the more logical, and what everyone would use in debates, who has sold the most SW since the PS3 launched, nobody would use this as an argument whether you think your way is corret or not, as everyone in this thread has displayed.

In order to say that that's in MSes or Sonys favor you have to compare all ps2 games that sold since the ps3s launch 

Overall Sony first party SW wins every single year due to PS2 and PSP, but this thread isn't about that and you know it, you've made this a strictly PS3 Vs. 360 debate.

But you aren't talking about my comparison you are talking about an arbitrary offshoot, you have to qualify 360/ps3, and after you do everyone will say duh they had an extra years worth of games, if they didn't sell more that would be sad 



Seece on 25 July 2011

I can't fathom (neither can anyone else here ) how you don't get it does not matter when MS released the damn games, we're not asking for the sales when the PS3 wasn't out to be counted, just the sales AFTER, so what exactly is the issue? Gears of War was competiting with PS3 titles a week after it launched, it was competiting with resistance or w/e else was out at launch.


The fact of the matter is you're excluding 360 SW that has sold in 2006 - 2011 and that is illogical.



 

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Seece on 25 July 2011
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:
Black_Scurge said:

In order to say that that's in MSes or Sonys favor you have to compare all ps2 games that sold since the ps3s launch 

Overall Sony first party SW wins every single year due to PS2 and PSP, but this thread isn't about that and you know it, you've made this a strictly PS3 Vs. 360 debate.

But you aren't talking about my comparison you are talking about an arbitrary offshoot, you have to qualify 360/ps3, and after you do everyone will say duh they had an extra years worth of games, if they didn't sell more that would be sad 

No I am talking about your comparison, or how it should be. I don't think anyone would be sad over this, regardless if anyone really was that emotionally involved, given MS first party Vs. Sony, it's damn impressive for 360 to beat them or to lose by a few million.



 

TruckOSaurus on 25 July 2011

@Black_Scurge: I just checked and removing one year of sales from Xbox games ain't that hard. For example, Gears of War is in it's 245th week of sales so to remove one year you check the 193th week and you get 5.87mil.



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nightsurge on 25 July 2011
Black_Scurge said:
Seece said:

So overall we have

MS at 93.25 (With KA and those pre PS3 launch games added
Sony at 78.71

Yea but it's an unfair comparison, KA didn't sell anything, it was just given away with kinect, and unless you count ps2 games released by Sony in the year after 360 launch it gives MS a years more worth of time to release games don't know why you felt the need to post that

Excuse me mister, Sports Champions is almost exclusively sold in PS Move bundles as well...

Also, I have to agree with Seece's argument pointing out the glaring hole in your thread. You've effectively removed anywhere from 5-15 million sales from the 360 by excluding the games sales entirely rather than just the "pre-release" sales. Gears alone would add close to 5 million sales to the total because it released just a few short weeks before the PS3.