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Forums - Sales Discussion - 360 best year? 6th year? FINAL UPDATE

 

Can 360 have its peak year in its 6th year?

Yep, easily. 246 34.84%
 
Nope, not a chance. 209 29.60%
 
Close, and it will just do it. 132 18.70%
 
Close, but it will just miss. 119 16.86%
 
Total:706
Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:

It sold more than 10 millions under a year, it successfuly attracked casual gamers to 360, it's getting third party support and proves it can add a lot to core games (ME3, F4 etc). The 360 is the only console with yoy increases this year thanks to Kinect, even MS said it gave them a boost of adrenaline. I fully believe that it's also part of the reason of the Wii's decline.

MS is very happy of Kinect's results and will push it foward come next gen. Imo they will advertize like crazy once again this year... anyway, we'll see... two 1 million week?

How is voice commands alot, and F4 looks incredibly dumbed down, and it sold because of the advertising, there werne't even games out yet and people didn't even have a chance to research the few that were out, and 360 only had yoy increases because of the slim boost, soon as it cross that line it was down yoy, and of course they are happy now, it sold 10 mil, but when it sells less this holiday they won't be as happy, last year they had the advantage of no1 knowing anything about it besides what they advertised, this time they don't have that advantage


You're talking about Fable 4 right? But I was talking about Forza 4 my bad I should've precised If you think Forza 4 looks dumbed down then there's nothing I can do for you.

People should stop saying Kinect sold solely because it was heavily advertised. The product is good at what it does and that's what casuals and core gamers see. Of course not every games are good but hey, tell me every games are AAA on any console and I'll let go, tell me a bad game on PS3 or 360 with horrible graphics and controls is bad because of the hardware and I will just stop.

Maybe it's me but I think the slim effect didn't last too long. It wasn't as important as the PS3's slim effect which helped the PS3 a lot more. Remember it also say a huge pricecut at the same time and since then it's become competitive with the 360. MS didn't make that pricecut with the slim, just got rid of the older model. And I think that now that people are aware of the Kinect it will sell better than last year.

Yea I was talking about fable 4, forza barely uses kinect at all and kinect doesn't even have one great game it has one or two good ones and a few okay ones, camera games never work very well, you think more people being aware of kinect will make them buy it but I think it's the opposite the only reason it sold so much last year is because people didn't know the details of what they were buying and bought it on hype and faith and it still hasn't delievered what tehy expected (granted what they expected is impossible but thats MSes own fault for the way they hyped it)

Maybe you should do some research on Forza 4.

Why are you convinced that it didn't delivered what people expected. Are you talking about you? A lot of people think 360/PS3/Wii didn't delivered what they expected and it doesn't prevent these to sell a lot.

Because people expected that Milo VR stuff that MS hyped and canned because it couldn't work, MS overstated the capabilities of the device and not everyone double checked before buying it, forza 4 has headtracking with kinect for looking at the cars and stuff kinect is useless in the gameplay atleast that's were it stood last time I checked 



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Jazz2K on 25 July 2011
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:

Yea I was talking about fable 4, forza barely uses kinect at all and kinect doesn't even have one great game it has one or two good ones and a few okay ones, camera games never work very well, you think more people being aware of kinect will make them buy it but I think it's the opposite the only reason it sold so much last year is because people didn't know the details of what they were buying and bought it on hype and faith and it still hasn't delievered what tehy expected (granted what they expected is impossible but thats MSes own fault for the way they hyped it)

Maybe you should do some research on Forza 4.

Why are you convinced that it didn't delivered what people expected. Are you talking about you? A lot of people think 360/PS3/Wii didn't delivered what they expected and it doesn't prevent these to sell a lot.

Because people expected that Milo VR stuff that MS hyped and canned because it couldn't work, MS overstated the capabilities of the device and not everyone double checked before buying it, forza 4 has headtracking with kinect for looking at the cars and stuff kinect is useless in the gameplay atleast that's were it stood last time I checked 

You really think the 10 millions that bought into Kinect are dissapointed because of Milo and Kate... lolll. Man I bet most of them don't even know what Milo and Kate is. We're talking about casuals here, people that don't know that there are forums on the net, people that don't know who Peter Molineux or Pachter are... get real.

I understand that Kinect integration in games like Forza, Mass Effect and Ghost Recon may not be everyone's cup of tea but to a lot of people it's enough. In real life I would talk to give commands and I would do gestures to open doors and so on... imo it's more immersive. We'll see.



Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:

Yea I was talking about fable 4, forza barely uses kinect at all and kinect doesn't even have one great game it has one or two good ones and a few okay ones, camera games never work very well, you think more people being aware of kinect will make them buy it but I think it's the opposite the only reason it sold so much last year is because people didn't know the details of what they were buying and bought it on hype and faith and it still hasn't delievered what tehy expected (granted what they expected is impossible but thats MSes own fault for the way they hyped it)

Maybe you should do some research on Forza 4.

Why are you convinced that it didn't delivered what people expected. Are you talking about you? A lot of people think 360/PS3/Wii didn't delivered what they expected and it doesn't prevent these to sell a lot.

Because people expected that Milo VR stuff that MS hyped and canned because it couldn't work, MS overstated the capabilities of the device and not everyone double checked before buying it, forza 4 has headtracking with kinect for looking at the cars and stuff kinect is useless in the gameplay atleast that's were it stood last time I checked 

You really think the 10 millions that bought into Kinect are dissapointed because of Milo and Kate... lolll. Man I bet most of them don't even know what Milo and Kate is. We're talking about casuals here, people that don't know that there are forums on the net, people that don't know who Peter Molineux or Pachter are... get real.

I understand that Kinect integration in games like Forza, Mass Effect and Ghost Recon may not be everyone's cup of tea but to a lot of people it's enough. In real life I would talk to give commands and I would do gestures to open doors and so on... imo it's more immersive. We'll see.

Have you seen you shoot in ghost recon, not immersive, and yelling at your tv just annoys the other people in the house so again not immersive and I don't think 10 million are disapointed about milo I think atleast 6 million expected more then kinect delievered and I think they still expect more and are holding out hope but I don't think that many people are statisfied with what they have or even whats comming 



thx1139 on 25 July 2011

Voted yes. Needs price cut and good holiday bundles to achieve it. July and August drops have to be covered with September price cut and November/December bundles. Kinect will boost sales once again for Holidays. Also MS can make up some sales by not running out early in December and having surplus ready to ship.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

osamanobama on 25 July 2011
kowenicki said:

Updated OP with this weeks numbers, its quite clear it will fall behind quckly over the coming weeks and it all comes down to the timing of a price cut.....

if there is to be one that is.

im not saying there wont be a price cut (i fully expected one) but with the gears of war 3 and Star wars bundles with very high prices. it would seem very odd to have those prices, and then a prce cut for the others. those bundles would be a terrible deal.

im wondering if they think they can still sell very well at this price, and wont be worth it to cut price, and just maximize profit (which they are abundantly making right now)



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Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
kowenicki said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:

Yea I was talking about fable 4, forza barely uses kinect at all and kinect doesn't even have one great game it has one or two good ones and a few okay ones, camera games never work very well, you think more people being aware of kinect will make them buy it but I think it's the opposite the only reason it sold so much last year is because people didn't know the details of what they were buying and bought it on hype and faith and it still hasn't delievered what tehy expected (granted what they expected is impossible but thats MSes own fault for the way they hyped it)

Maybe you should do some research on Forza 4.

Why are you convinced that it didn't delivered what people expected. Are you talking about you? A lot of people think 360/PS3/Wii didn't delivered what they expected and it doesn't prevent these to sell a lot.

Because people expected that Milo VR stuff that MS hyped and canned because it couldn't work, MS overstated the capabilities of the device and not everyone double checked before buying it, forza 4 has headtracking with kinect for looking at the cars and stuff kinect is useless in the gameplay atleast that's were it stood last time I checked 

You really think the 10 millions that bought into Kinect are dissapointed because of Milo and Kate... lolll. Man I bet most of them don't even know what Milo and Kate is. We're talking about casuals here, people that don't know that there are forums on the net, people that don't know who Peter Molineux or Pachter are... get real.

I understand that Kinect integration in games like Forza, Mass Effect and Ghost Recon may not be everyone's cup of tea but to a lot of people it's enough. In real life I would talk to give commands and I would do gestures to open doors and so on... imo it's more immersive. We'll see.

Have you seen you shoot in ghost recon, not immersive, and yelling at your tv just annoys the other people in the house so again not immersive and I don't think 10 million are disapointed about milo I think atleast 6 million expected more then kinect delievered and I think they still expect more and are holding out hope but I don't think that many people are statisfied with what they have or even whats comming 

yeah but to be honest mate, I've just looked at that thread you created and... er.... well... 

Well what, I'm counting the sales of games released in the same time frame how is that not fair? The only ones whining and 360 fanboys, also 360 is down yoy 62% this week so it's not going to beat last year sales  



Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
kowenicki said:
Black_Scurge said:
kowenicki said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:
Jazz2K said:
Black_Scurge said:

Yea I was talking about fable 4, forza barely uses kinect at all and kinect doesn't even have one great game it has one or two good ones and a few okay ones, camera games never work very well, you think more people being aware of kinect will make them buy it but I think it's the opposite the only reason it sold so much last year is because people didn't know the details of what they were buying and bought it on hype and faith and it still hasn't delievered what tehy expected (granted what they expected is impossible but thats MSes own fault for the way they hyped it)

Maybe you should do some research on Forza 4.

Why are you convinced that it didn't delivered what people expected. Are you talking about you? A lot of people think 360/PS3/Wii didn't delivered what they expected and it doesn't prevent these to sell a lot.

Because people expected that Milo VR stuff that MS hyped and canned because it couldn't work, MS overstated the capabilities of the device and not everyone double checked before buying it, forza 4 has headtracking with kinect for looking at the cars and stuff kinect is useless in the gameplay atleast that's were it stood last time I checked 

You really think the 10 millions that bought into Kinect are dissapointed because of Milo and Kate... lolll. Man I bet most of them don't even know what Milo and Kate is. We're talking about casuals here, people that don't know that there are forums on the net, people that don't know who Peter Molineux or Pachter are... get real.

I understand that Kinect integration in games like Forza, Mass Effect and Ghost Recon may not be everyone's cup of tea but to a lot of people it's enough. In real life I would talk to give commands and I would do gestures to open doors and so on... imo it's more immersive. We'll see.

Have you seen you shoot in ghost recon, not immersive, and yelling at your tv just annoys the other people in the house so again not immersive and I don't think 10 million are disapointed about milo I think atleast 6 million expected more then kinect delievered and I think they still expect more and are holding out hope but I don't think that many people are statisfied with what they have or even whats comming 

yeah but to be honest mate, I've just looked at that thread you created and... er.... well... 

Well what, I'm counting the sales of games released in the same time frame how is that not fair? The only ones whining and 360 fanboys, also 360 is down yoy 62% this week so it's not going to beat last year sales  


you calling Seece a 360 fanboy?

and why do you think thre 360 is down 62% this week? 

answer both questions please, think really hard now.

because the slim release last year and lack of games this year, it will be significantly down yoy for most of the rest and I believe peoples actions speak for themselves



Darth Tigris on 25 July 2011

Close, and it will just do it.

For the record, that is COMPLETELY contingent on a price cut. If it happens and its timed right (September), it would receive a huge bump that would last into mid-October and then the normal November bump will kick in but Kinectified.

And for those that think that Kinect has burned out, remember when we would say that about the Wii every year and then during the holidays it would simply DESTROY EVERYTHING? Why? It didn't come out with killer holiday releases? Because the mainstream viewed it as a great holiday gift and still played the same old games. So tell me, is it completely unreasonable to see Kinect doing something similar and replicating the holiday success from last year when the cost of entry will be even lower?

Close, and it will just do it.

EDIT: Looking at the poll results, trolling the 360 still seems to be the sport.  *sigh*  Lest we forget ... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=24567&page=1



osamanobama on 25 July 2011
kowenicki said:
osamanobama said:
kowenicki said:

Updated OP with this weeks numbers, its quite clear it will fall behind quckly over the coming weeks and it all comes down to the timing of a price cut.....

if there is to be one that is.

im not saying there wont be a price cut (i fully expected one) but with the gears of war 3 and Star wars bundles with very high prices. it would seem very odd to have those prices, and then a prce cut for the others. those bundles would be a terrible deal.

im wondering if they think they can still sell very well at this price, and wont be worth it to cut price, and just maximize profit (which they are abundantly making right now)

Its a fair point. They might just do that...  

They could enter the next gen on the back of some pretty good profits and hit the gorund running I guess.

But I just cant see them not reacting to a PS3 cut.

thats what i was thinking. its garenteed that ps3 will drop their price by at least $50 if they want to ship 15 million.

and i thought for sure that xbox would too, but these bundles prices are definitely sending mixed signals. i guess its a cost benefit analysis that they are going with higher profit margins. but who knows, we will find out in several weeks i guess



Black_Scurge on 25 July 2011
kowenicki said:
its PURELY to do with the slim launch... its been up all year until now. I presume you knew that? 

Significantly down for the rest of the year?  put a number on it please... a % figure will do for now until the year end please, significantly being north of 20% down I guess? 

lol it was up the rest of the year because of the slim launch, I'd say the lack of games is factoring in about 20-30% of the 62, as for the rest of the year it will be down 55-65% until they get the price cut, if they don't get a price cut then until gears and forza, I'm guessing it will be down atleast 20% for the rest of the year, a few high spots and alot of lower spots